[Mailman-Users] Re: Digest not being received in a timely fashion

2024-03-08 Thread Carl Zwanzig

On 3/8/2024 8:58 PM, j...@janalexander.ca wrote:

1. Where do I see the raw text of the received digest?


It depends on how you're reading the email. In Thunderbird, control-U 
will open a new windows with the raw message. Roundcube Webmail has a 
"show source" button, other clients should have something similar.



2. What is MTA?


Mail Transfer Agent - the software that moves email between servers.

z!


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[Mailman-Users] Re: Digest not being received in a timely fashion

2024-03-08 Thread jan
1. Where do I see the raw text of the received digest?
2. What is MTA?

I get what you're saying about received by Mailman, but the delay is later in 
the delivery chain.

If not that, then Mailman outgoing queue is backlogged (which is what EMWD is 
saying), due to a larger volume list on the shared server taking up all the 
space.

I will send along the wiki article to them.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Digest not being received in a timely fashion

2024-03-08 Thread Mark Sapiro

On 3/8/24 12:20 PM, j...@janalexander.ca wrote:

For years our digest has arrived at 9:00 am (PST).

In the last six months it has been erratic, arriving at different times during 
the day.

Now, recently it is not arriving for a day, sometimes days. It's pretty useless 
to our members to have messages from one or two days ago arrive late.



Examine the full raw text of the received digest. Look at the chain of 
Received: headers (they are in chronological order with most recent at 
the top) to determine where the delay(s) occur. I suspect the message 
will have been received from Mailman by the outgoing MTA. in a timely 
manner and the delay is later in the delivery chain, but if not, 
Mailman's outgoing queue is hopelessly backlogged. If this is the case, 
it should affect not only digests but also individual messages. See 
https://wiki.list.org/x/17892002 for tips on what the hosting service 
can do about this.


On the other hand, if the delays are later in the delivery chain, 
there's nothing Mailman can do about it.



I've asked the Mailman hosting company about this repeatedly. Their answer is 
that bigger volume mailist senders on shared servers take time in the queue, 
and our little mailist has to wait until their messages are processed. They've 
asked them to move to a dedicated server, but the delays are still occurring.

I've asked them about setting up a Cron job to schedule the release of our 
emails, but haven't received a definitive answer.



If the messages are in Mailman's out queue, that's a situation that can 
be addressed by the host (tips in the wiki article above). If the 
messages have been delivered by Mailman to the outgoing MTA and are 
queued there it's likely because of greylisting or some other issue 
between the outgoing MTA and the next hop. These can be diagnosed via 
the MTA's logs. Otherwise the delays may be further downstream. It's a 
true shame that EMWD is not able to provide the support that they did 
when Brian was still alive.


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