[Mailman-Users] Re: List Archives
David Andrews writes: > Thanks everyone. This all sounds reasonable except it also identifies > another problem we are having. There is no good search method in > place. The only way to resolve it in Mailman is to upgrade to Mailman 3, and use HyperKitty. As far as I know you can import a Mailman 2 mbox into HyperKitty without installing the rest of Mailman 3. If you decide to go that way, don't use the default indexer Whoosh, it's tragically slow. Xapian is highly recommended, and other indexers also seem to work. I think I've heard of ElasticSearch installations, and one friend used freeWAIS -- that's mostly a joke, freeWAIS is unsupported for decades, but librarians/archivists might feel some nostalgia. > Also the organizations librarian wants the archives for historic and > other reasons, so leaving them here won't satisfy that. As Mark says, there's a $LIST.mbox file at the top of the list archive subtree for the list that contains all of the posts, which most all open source mail clients will happily treat as a mail folder, and I would hope commercial clients do as well. Just download that to somewhere the mail client will recognize it as a folder, then you/they can use the client's capabilities to organize it. -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: List Archives
At 11:17 PM 8/28/2022, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: David Andrews writes: > I want to delete some lists, but would like to save the archives. > Pipermail saves by month, as I have it configured. Is there a way to > obtain an entire archive at once? Are there tools to convert the > MBOX format to something non-technical people can deal with easily? Exactly what is your use case? What do you mean by "obtain"? What do you mean by "non-technical people deal"? I suspect "obtain" means something you don't need to do, and "non-technical people deal" means "click to read". If so, the answer is basically "delete the list, don't delete the archive". That's easiest for the users since they just go to the same place. Best of all the site admin doesn't have to do much of anything besides delete the list configuration file, and possibly edit the MTA config.[1] Note that this can create backscatter (mail rejection notices to third parties0, but that's no different from any other non-existent address at your server. The only problem is if the archives are "members only", because deleting the list would also delete their credentials. Since in an important sense the membership database *is* the list, in that case, you don't want to delete the list, you want to disable delivery and access to the administrative interfaces. There are several ways to do those things, and some vary according to the MTA. They have subtly different consequences for what happens if somebody tries to post to the list or subscribe to it. The one you're most likely to care about is "the post disappears into a black hole and the member is distressed," but some of them can create backscatter in the case of spammers. Thanks everyone. This all sounds reasonable except it also identifies another problem we are having. There is no good search method in place. I installed search several years back, I can't remember what it was called off the top of my head. It broke something in cPanel, and their support basically said remove search or you get no support from us. So leaving archives in place long term, without a good search method doesn't make much sense. Also the organizations librarian wants the archives for historic and other reasons, so leaving them here won't satisfy that. Dave -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Re: List Archives
On 8/28/22 1:28 PM, David Andrews wrote: I manage a bunch of Mailman lists. We are on 2.1.38 cPanel, and I do have access to the command line. I want to delete some lists, but would like to save the archives. Pipermail saves by month, as I have it configured. Is there a way to obtain an entire archive at once? Are there tools to convert the MBOX format to something non-technical people can deal with easily? You can delete a list and retain the archive. If the pipermail archive is public, it will still be accessible. If it's private, it will be there, but won't be accessible because there's no list to authenticate against. I don't know if the cPanel list removal tool allows keeping the archive, but ``` /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/bin/rmlist LISTNAME ``` will remove the list and not the archives. In cPanel, the entire archive mbox for LISTNAME is at /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/mailman/archives/private/LISTNAME.mbox/LISTNAME.mbox. Mant MUAs, e.g. mutt, can deal with mbox files. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list -- mailman-users@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to mailman-users-le...@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/mailman-users.python.org/ Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/ https://mail.python.org/archives/list/mailman-users@python.org/
