Re: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg

[Mark Sapiro]

Bill Christensen wrote:

>At 8:23 AM -0700 10/9/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>>Bill Christensen wrote:
>>>
>>>Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to
>>>display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time
>>>of the orignal sender's post?
>>
>>
>>Only by changing the source code, and it isn't a good idea. RFC 2822
>>Sec. 3.6.1 [1] specifies the meaning of the Date: header and says in
>>part:
>>
>>The origination date specifies the date and time at which the
>>creator of the message indicated that the message was complete
>>and ready to enter the mail delivery system.
>
>
>
>>
>>[1] http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html
>
>The only required header fields are the origination date field and
>the originator address field(s).
>
>
>I had a feeling we'd be up against something like that.
>
>But many a non-moderated listserv typically replaces the FROM header 
>with the listserv's reply address, do they not?


Yes. Mailman does it too for 'anonymous' lists, even though strictly
speaking, I don't think it's compliant.

If you did decide to change the Date: header, I don't think there would
be any repercussions, at least on an announce list with locally
submitted posts.

I think there could be an issue on a moderated discussion list if
someone were to claim that her post was sent before certain other
information was available, but you munged the date, but it doesn't
seem likely.

If I were going to mung the Date: header, I would probably put the
original in an X-Original-Date: or similar header.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg

[Bill Christensen]

At 8:23 AM -0700 10/9/08, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Bill Christensen wrote:


Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to
display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time
of the orignal sender's post?



Only by changing the source code, and it isn't a good idea. RFC 2822
Sec. 3.6.1 [1] specifies the meaning of the Date: header and says in
part:

   The origination date specifies the date and time at which the
   creator of the message indicated that the message was complete
   and ready to enter the mail delivery system.






[1] http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html


The only required header fields are the origination date field and
   the originator address field(s).


I had a feeling we'd be up against something like that.

But many a non-moderated listserv typically replaces the FROM header 
with the listserv's reply address, do they not?


For instance, this header from a Sourceforge list doesn't appear to 
display any info other than "[EMAIL PROTECTED]", and I suspect 
the timestamp is that of the listserv, not the original sender:


Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: by 10.210.41.16 with SMTP id o16cs466769ebo;
Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:49:01 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.140.157.5 with SMTP id f5mr5391922rve.267.1223495340192;
Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from ch3.sourceforge.net (ch3.sourceforge.net [216.34.181.60])
by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 5si187618wrh.31.2008.10.08.12.48.59;
Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
designates 216.34.181.60 as permitted sender) client-ip=216.34.181.60;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain 
of [EMAIL PROTECTED] designates 216.34.181.60 as permitted 
sender) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Received: from www by b55xhf1.ch3.sourceforge.com with local (Exim 4.69)
(envelope-from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: "SourceForge.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [webcalendar - Help / Troubleshooting] RE: upgrade strategy
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Not to say that just because someone else is doing it against the 
rules that I should be allowed to as well, of course.  I don't have 
enough clout to circumvent the mail rules the way some of the big 
guys do.



You could look at Mailman/ListAdmin.py at the point where it adds the
X-Mailman-Approved-At: header to an approved message. You could also
add a Resent-Date: header, and your user's MUAs may sort on that.


Worth a try.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg

[Mark Sapiro]

Bill Christensen wrote:
>
>Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to 
>display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time 
>of the orignal sender's post?


Only by changing the source code, and it isn't a good idea. RFC 2822
Sec. 3.6.1 [1] specifies the meaning of the Date: header and says in
part:

   The origination date specifies the date and time at which the
   creator of the message indicated that the message was complete
   and ready to enter the mail delivery system.


>Sometimes there's a fairly long lag between the original post and 
>when it goes to the list, and the list mail displays "below the fold" 
>(out of sight) in busy user's mailbox.  In some cases that lag is 
>intentional in order to release announcements at the most 
>advantageous time.  If it's not visible in the user's box it kinda 
>defeats the purpose.


You could look at Mailman/ListAdmin.py at the point where it adds the
X-Mailman-Approved-At: header to an approved message. You could also
add a Resent-Date: header, and your user's MUAs may sort on that.

Some MUAs can sort on order received. You could suggest that your users
set their MUAs to do that.

[1] http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/rfc/rfc2822.html

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[Mailman-Users] Timestamp on approved msg

[Bill Christensen]

Hi all,

Is there a way to change the timestamp on mail to moderated lists to 
display the time it is approved/sent by Mailman instead of the time 
of the orignal sender's post?


Sometimes there's a fairly long lag between the original post and 
when it goes to the list, and the list mail displays "below the fold" 
(out of sight) in busy user's mailbox.  In some cases that lag is 
intentional in order to release announcements at the most 
advantageous time.  If it's not visible in the user's box it kinda 
defeats the purpose.


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Bill Christensen


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