Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman[SOLVED (so far)]
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 18:09, Tom Browder wrote: > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 17:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> Tom Browder wrote: ... > Hm, but now I'm having problems because when I reply to a message from > list posters it has their personal e-mail address in the header like > this example: > > Billy Bob billy.bowl...@gmail.com via virtual-1.org I now have the headers looking as I expected. I did it by changing the list default setting here: General options: -- Where are replies to list messages directed? Poster is strongly recommended for most mailing lists. [default is POSTER, I set it to THIS LIST] So my list is looking the way I expect it to, and recipients are seeing the same. Tomorrow I try out a new read-only site. Best regards, and thanks for your patience, Mark. -Tom USAFA, CS-24, Class of 1965 Niceville, Florida, USA -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman[SOLVED (so far)]
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 17:56, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tom Browder wrote: >> >>Aha, I think all works now. What I did was comment out this line in >>/etc/postfix/main.cf: >> >>#relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman Hm, but now I'm having problems because when I reply to a message from list posters it has their personal e-mail address in the header like this example: Billy Bob billy.bowl...@gmail.com via virtual-1.org I have my list configure so it is (by default) supposed to hide personal addresses. Maybe something else is amiss. -Tom -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman[SOLVED (so far)]
Tom Browder wrote: > >Aha, I think all works now. What I did was comment out this line in >/etc/postfix/main.cf: > >#relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman OK. That's one more issue with the package you're using and its use of postfix-to-mailman.py. In order for the above relay_recipient_maps to work as apparently intended, you would need to have MTA = 'Postfix' POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['virtual-1.org', 'virtual-2.org'] in mm_cfg.py so that Mailman will actually generate the /var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman(.db) files for Postfix to use as relay_recipient_maps, but this would still be an incomplete solution because the "postmaster" and "abuse" and other 'special' addresses that postfix-to-mailman.py recognizes will not be included in virtual-mailman, and thus those addresses in the list domains will be rejected by Postfix. Also, I fail to understand why a packager would configure Mailman to uses postfix-to-mailman.py but still require half or more of standard Mailman/Postfix integration to work as configured. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman [SOLVED (so far)]
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 14:55, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 8/5/2011 8:07 AM, Tom Browder wrote: > >> In my /etc/postfix/main.cf I have this: >> relay_domains = virtual-1.org, virtual-2.org > > > I am not a Postfix expert, but I'll tell you what I think. If that > doesn't solve the problem, you may need to go to a Postfix list. > > I know the postfix-to-mailman.py documentation says to put your list > domains in relay_domains, but I think that's wrong. I don't think it > normally hurts as long as you haven't specified relay_recipient_maps in > main.cf, but if you have, then if your list domains are in > relay_domains, all your list addresses need to be in > relay_recipient_maps tables. That appears to be the source of your > current problem. > > Bottom line: remove the above relay_domains entry. Thanks, Mark, I'll try that--I have to say that the docs are somewhat confusing--especially postfix... Hm, didn't work--uncommented the change and experimenting a little... Aha, I think all works now. What I did was comment out this line in /etc/postfix/main.cf: #relay_recipient_maps = hash:/var/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman After a postfix reload I'm reading foreing subscribers on the list...and no errors noticed yet on the real host. Best regards, and thanks again for your help. Happy mailing all! -Tom -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 16:37, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tom Browder wrote: > >>Question 1: >>= >> >>Current situation: >> ... (detailed and helpful answers...) Thanks, Mark! I'm going to jump in again! By the way, I have a Perl script and module I use to destroy and regen the lists easily while testing if anyone is interested. Best regards, -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman
Tom Browder wrote:
>Question 1:
>=
>
>Current situation:
>
>
>I have now pretty much a working solution for this situation (postfix
>and mailman installed with Ubuntu packages on 64-bit 10.04 LTS (Lucid
>Lynx) :
>
> 1 server
> 1 "real" domain: realdomain.com
> 2 virtual domains: virtual-1.org
>virtual-2.org
>
>All are accessed successfully through SSL/TLS (https).
>
>Desired situation:
>
>
>I can get new lists at the virtual domains okay, but here's what I
>would like to do: change the mailing list virtual domains to:
>
> 2 virtual domains: lists.virtual-1.org # this is my default domain for
> mailman
>lists.virtual-2.org
>
>BUT present the lists to the users as, say, i...@virtual-1.org
Every list has two attributes, a web_page_url with a host name of the
web domain and a host_name which is the name of the email domain. so,
yes, you can do what you want.
In mm_cfg.py you want
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'lists.virtual-1.org'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'virtual-1.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('lists.virtual-2.org', 'virtual-2.org')
and only if you are using Mailman/Postfix integration
MTA = 'Postfix'
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS = ['virtual-1.org', 'virtual-2.org']
If you are using postfix_to_mailman.py, you want
MTA = None
and you want both virtual-1.org and virtual-2.org mapped to the mailman
transport in transport_maps, but this won't work if you have real
users with addresses @virtual-1.org or @virtual-2.org
See the FAQ at for more info.
After making those mm_cfg.py changes, run fix_url as follows
For lists in the virtual-1.org domain (DEFAULT_*_HOST), run
bin/withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME
For lists in the virtual-2.org domain, run
bin/withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME -u lists.virtual-2.org
Following that, if you are using Mailman/Postfix integration, run
bin/genaliases
to rebuild data/mailman* and data/virtual-mailman*.
>I had some mixed success early on, but other problems intervened. Now
>that the other problems have been solved, I want to blow everything
>away and start over but only if the "Desired situation" is feasible:
>
>Question 2:
>=
>
>Can I also do this on the real domain:
>
>Create a new subdomain and mailing lists:
>
> lists.realdomain.com <= let postfix and mailman handle this as a
>virtual domain
>
>And also as desired for "Question 1,"
>
> BUT present the lists to the users as, say, n...@realdomain.com
Just add another
add_virtualhost('lists.realdomain.com', 'realdomain.com')
in mm_cfg.py and treat this like the others, except if realdomain.com
is local in Postfix and has real users, you can't use
postfix_to_mailman.py[1], and you don't add 'realdomain.com' to the
POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS list.
[1] You really can still use postfix_to_mailman.py, but you can't
simply put "realdomain.com: mailman" in your transport_maps table. You
have to do things like
somel...@realdomain.com: mailman
somelist-boun...@realdomain.com: mailman
somelist-conf...@realdomain.com: mailman
(etc)
for all 10 addresses for each realdomain.com list at which point, you
are much better off using regular Mailman/Postfix integration.
--
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
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[Mailman-Users] Two questions ref virtual hosts and mailman
Question 1: = Current situation: I have now pretty much a working solution for this situation (postfix and mailman installed with Ubuntu packages on 64-bit 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) : 1 server 1 "real" domain: realdomain.com 2 virtual domains: virtual-1.org virtual-2.org All are accessed successfully through SSL/TLS (https). Desired situation: I can get new lists at the virtual domains okay, but here's what I would like to do: change the mailing list virtual domains to: 2 virtual domains: lists.virtual-1.org # this is my default domain for mailman lists.virtual-2.org BUT present the lists to the users as, say, i...@virtual-1.org I had some mixed success early on, but other problems intervened. Now that the other problems have been solved, I want to blow everything away and start over but only if the "Desired situation" is feasible: Question 2: = Can I also do this on the real domain: Create a new subdomain and mailing lists: lists.realdomain.com <= let postfix and mailman handle this as a virtual domain And also as desired for "Question 1," BUT present the lists to the users as, say, n...@realdomain.com Best regards, -Tom Thomas M. Browder, Jr. Niceville, Florida USA -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
