Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Brad You can't write your own HTML there, so no click Brad here type language is going to work. Strictly speaking, this depends on the MUA, too. In the message I'm replying to Gnus added no less than 16 clickable items, including everything in the footer (every line except the title Mailman-Users mailing list). It's a shame that major vendors concentrated on a misfeature that allows you to write a href=http://www.spyware-hell.com/downloads/; www.tulips.org/a has the best selection of garden photos! in email, instead of teaching their products to snarf URLs out of text/plain. -- School of Systems and Information Engineering http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of TsukubaTennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can do free software business; ask what your business can do for free software. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
At 5:41 PM +0900 2006-01-30, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Brad == Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BradYou can't write your own HTML there, so no click Brad here type language is going to work. Strictly speaking, this depends on the MUA, too. True. In the message I'm replying to Gnus added no less than 16 clickable items, including everything in the footer (every line except the title Mailman-Users mailing list). It is not unusual for MUAs to convert many of the List-* headers into clickable links. IMO, that's pretty cool. It's a shame that major vendors concentrated on a misfeature that allows you to write a href=http://www.spyware-hell.com/downloads/; www.tulips.org/a has the best selection of garden photos! in email, instead of teaching their products to snarf URLs out of text/plain. The ironic thing is that you're saying this to me, and that Eudora (my MUA) only made the URL clickable -- i.e., it did exactly what you are saying that vendors don't do with their MUAs. ;) Of course, I have all the HTML features of Eudora turned off, and I neither send nor receive messages that are HTML formatted. I still can't figure out a way to get it to stop converting HTML formatting into a rich text format which is more difficult to quote and edit, but at least it does give me methods of flattening rich text into ASCII, which can then be cut and re-pasted in a quotation format. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
In a flurry of recycled electrons, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Strictly speaking, this depends on the MUA, too. In the message I'm replying to Gnus added no less than 16 clickable items, including everything in the footer (every line except the title Mailman-Users mailing list). It's a shame that major vendors concentrated on a misfeature that allows you to write a href=http://www.spyware-hell.com/downloads/; www.tulips.org/a has the best selection of garden photos! in email, instead of teaching their products to snarf URLs out of text/plain. Strange enough, some versions of lookOut will make things that look like URLs (and UNCs) clickable even in plain-text messages. At my office, only about a third of the users send HTML-format email, but for the most part lookOut does the right thing. (Now if I could get them to stop sending multihundred K attachments to entire exchange server lists... not my job, though) z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
Why is it that when I set Mailman to apply a footer with some info, Outlook detects it as an attachment? Is this yet another problem with just outlook? Also does the footer in mailman support HTML? I want to make it so at the bottom of every email I can include a reply to address for them to unsubscribe. This sort of leads me to my next question. To have a user unsubscribe without seeing the web interface and just by email, which would be the right command? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or are there more? Also does anything need to be written in the subject line? If not, what if someone writes something or writes something that is not right, will it still unsubscribe them? I would like to state that if they want to be removed, to please click here to send an email to unsubscribe. Kind regards, Jp -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
Jp Possenti wrote: Why is it that when I set Mailman to apply a footer with some info, Outlook detects it as an attachment? Is this yet another problem with just outlook? Also does the footer in mailman support HTML? Please read the FAQ. A search of the FAQ for footer should turn up the answers to both these questions. I want to make it so at the bottom of every email I can include a reply to address for them to unsubscribe. This sort of leads me to my next question. To have a user unsubscribe without seeing the web interface and just by email, which would be the right command? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Either one, they're synonymous (assuming List and Listname are synonymous). Or are there more? Send an unsubscribe command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also does anything need to be written in the subject line? If not, what if someone writes something or writes something that is not right, will it still unsubscribe them? For the first two, the subject is ignored so the answer to your second question is yes. I would like to state that if they want to be removed, to please click here to send an email to unsubscribe. You can simply put some text and mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], but whether or not this will be 'clickable' depends entirely on the recipient's MUA. Even if you make the footer look like HTML, it will be in a text/plain part of the message so it won't be rendered as HTML. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
Mark, If I decide to do the one that is like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The command goes in the subject or body? In this case unsubscribe would be in which? Or does it not matter? Kind regards, Jp Possenti -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments? Jp Possenti wrote: Why is it that when I set Mailman to apply a footer with some info, Outlook detects it as an attachment? Is this yet another problem with just outlook? Also does the footer in mailman support HTML? Please read the FAQ. A search of the FAQ for footer should turn up the answers to both these questions. I want to make it so at the bottom of every email I can include a reply to address for them to unsubscribe. This sort of leads me to my next question. To have a user unsubscribe without seeing the web interface and just by email, which would be the right command? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Either one, they're synonymous (assuming List and Listname are synonymous). Or are there more? Send an unsubscribe command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also does anything need to be written in the subject line? If not, what if someone writes something or writes something that is not right, will it still unsubscribe them? For the first two, the subject is ignored so the answer to your second question is yes. I would like to state that if they want to be removed, to please click here to send an email to unsubscribe. You can simply put some text and mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], but whether or not this will be 'clickable' depends entirely on the recipient's MUA. Even if you make the footer look like HTML, it will be in a text/plain part of the message so it won't be rendered as HTML. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
Jp Possenti wrote: If I decide to do the one that is like this: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The command goes in the subject or body? In this case unsubscribe would be in which? Or does it not matter? The '-request' processing processes the Subject: and the first mm_cfg.DEFAULT_MAIL_COMMANDS_MAX_LINES (default value = 25) lines of the body. If the subject is not a valid command, it is ignored. After that, the first line which is not a vaild command stops the process. So the short answer is it doesn't matter. send the command help to the -request address for documentation of the available commands. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why are footers sent as attachments?
At 2:24 PM -0500 2006-01-29, Jp Possenti wrote: Why is it that when I set Mailman to apply a footer with some info, Outlook detects it as an attachment? Is this yet another problem with just outlook? Outlook and certain other MUAs, yes. Also does the footer in mailman support HTML? Nope. I want to make it so at the bottom of every email I can include a reply to address for them to unsubscribe. Like we do for this mailing list? This sort of leads me to my next question. To have a user unsubscribe without seeing the web interface and just by email, which would be the right command? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] More like the header we put on every message that passes through this list: List-Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Or are there more? Also does anything need to be written in the subject line? If not, what if someone writes something or writes something that is not right, will it still unsubscribe them? I would like to state that if they want to be removed, to please click here to send an email to unsubscribe. You can't write your own HTML there, so no click here type language is going to work. You can do the same sorts of things that you see in the messages which pass through this list, however -- try taking a closer look at the copies you receive. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
