Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loopandabuse complaints
Terry Earley wrote: Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, Yahoo, etc)? Now that AOL also redacts return path, VERPing alone will not help much for them. Return-Path: redacted-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com Is that a redact of a VERPed Return-Path:? It doesn't look like it. It looks like Return-Path: listname-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com was changed to Return-Path: redacted-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com and doesn't answer the question of what Return-Path: listname-bounces+aol_user=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com would be changed to. Full Personalization could give you more to trace, since each post is send individually. And if Mailman does VERP, messages are sent individually too, and all personalized messages are sent individually, not just fully personalized ones. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loopandabuse complaints
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: Terry Earley wrote: Is it possible to enable VERP *only* for certain domains (like AOL, Yahoo, etc)? Now that AOL also redacts return path, VERPing alone will not help much for them. Return-Path: redacted-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com Is that a redact of a VERPed Return-Path:? It doesn't look like it. It looks like Return-Path: listname-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com was changed to Return-Path: redacted-boun...@discuss.fiteyes.com and doesn't answer the question of what Return-Path: listname-bounces+aol_user=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com would be changed to. Here are some example headers. The first is from a message from the list sent to me, as a subscriber to the list. (I could post the entire headers if it would be of interest.) Return-Path: all-bounces+dave=fiteyes@discuss.fiteyes.com Subject: [FitEyes Discussion 715] Re: First self IOP measurement done An AOL member complained about this same message today. The return path in the report from the AOL Feedback Loop gets redacted to: Return-Path: all-bounces+redacted=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com I can paste the entire report from the AOL Feedback Loop if that would be of interest. But they redact everything now, including even items without the receiver's address such as: List-Unsubscribe: http://discuss.fiteyes.com/m/options/all, mailto:all-requ...@discuss.fiteyes.com?subject=unsubscribe which gets changed to: List-Unsubscribe: http://discuss.fiteyes.com/m/options/all, redac...@discuss.fiteyes.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] more questions about Yahoo feedback loopandabuse complaints
On 6/17/2012 4:44 PM, David wrote: An AOL member complained about this same message today. The return path in the report from the AOL Feedback Loop gets redacted to: Return-Path: all-bounces+redacted=aol@discuss.fiteyes.com OK, that answers that question, so it would seem that Lindsay Haisley's suggestion of hacking in a custom header with a hash of the user's address that doesn't look like an email address would work, but it would be a violation of the terms of service for the feedback loop according to Brad Knowles: In fact, when you sign up for the AOL Feedback Loop (as I did years ago for the lists hosted at python.org), the instructions explicitly state that you may not use any information they give you to determine who the affected user is ... -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
