Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter with mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

On 07/04/2014 08:35 AM, Robert Heller wrote:
> You can join the list and turn off moderation for your self OR 
> add you E-Mail address to the list of non-members that can post to the list.


This method of posting to a 'newsletter' list is insecure. Any list
member who sees the address that posts are From: and wants to post can
just spoof that From: address in his own post. Also, random spam From:
the authorized address and To: the list will be accepted.

The secure method is to leave everyone moderated and post with an
Approved: header as discussed in the FAQs at
 and .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter with mailman

[Richard Damon]

On 7/3/14, 7:58 PM, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:

Dear all,

I need to create a read-only mailing list, and users can't post to list
and just read news.By the way, i only have mailman web interface, no
cmd.
Before any help, Thank you 

Yours,
Mohsen

There is a web page in the faq about this: 
http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685


The essential basics, make sure all new subscribers are moderated, and 
never remove them from moderation (so they can't post). Then if they do 
post the messages will be held for review (so you can reject them), or 
you can set up filters to automatically reject them (though the reject 
message will not be very helpful).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter with mailman

[Robert Heller]

All you need to do is set all users to 'moderated', set the reply-to to you 
(not the list or the poster),
and disable posting by moderated users.  You can join the list and turn off 
moderation for your self OR 
add you E-Mail address to the list of non-members that can post to the list.

All of this can be done with the web interface.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter with mailman

[Mark Sapiro]

On 07/03/2014 04:58 PM, Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh wrote:
> 
> I need to create a read-only mailing list, and users can't post to list
> and just read news.By the way, i only have mailman web interface, no
> cmd.


See the FAQ at .

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[Mailman-Users] newsletter with mailman

[Mohsen Pahlevanzadeh]

Dear all,

I need to create a read-only mailing list, and users can't post to list
and just read news.By the way, i only have mailman web interface, no
cmd.
Before any help, Thank you 

Yours,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to subscribers

[Grant Taylor]

On 1/8/14, 10:03 AM, Doug Hutson wrote:

All the people that have e-mailed us about this issue were specifically
yahoo addresses.  Reports of 4-50 duplicates per user were sent to
them.  We only have one list of users we send users to, and this is the
first time this has ever happened.


The few times that I ran in to this type of problem in the past were not 
Mailman issues at all.  Rather they were symptoms of underlying SMTP 
issues.  My clue when I fought this battle before was that the messages 
IDs down stream of my server(s) were different in each ""copy of the 
message.  When investigating in my SMTP logs, I found that the delivery 
attempts were failing in some manner and my SMTP server was considering 
the delivery a failure and would retry until it saw the expected 
response.  However, the receiving server did considered the delivery to 
be successful, and as such treated the message(s) as valid.  Ultimately, 
causing duplicated messages.


When investigating the SMTP issue, I found that the problem was related 
to network connectivity issues, specifically saturated connection on the 
receiving end.  -  Once I addressed (worked around) the connectivity 
issues, the duplicate messages cleared up immediately.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to subscribers

[Larry Stone]

On Jan 8, 2014, at 6:03 AM, Doug Hutson  wrote:

> We've been using mailman for quite a long time now, and suddenly the last 
> newsletter we sent out sent duplicates to random users as far as I can tell.
> 
> All the people that have e-mailed us about this issue were specifically yahoo 
> addresses.  Reports of 4-50 duplicates per user were sent to them.  We only 
> have one list of users we send users to, and this is the first time this has 
> ever happened.
> 
> 
> So, my question specifically... does anybody have advice in what I should 
> look for as to why this happened?

I would start with looking at the logs of your mail server. You want to figure 
out where the duplication is occurring. Was it sent to Yahoo more than once? Or 
was it accepted by Yahoo just once? If the latter, the duplication is happening 
at Yahoo and it is not your problem to solve.

You didn’t say what mail server is being used but SMTP is designed not to lose 
mail. Therefore, a duplicate is preferable to losing mail. If the receiving 
SMTP server receives the mail but does not tell the sending server it has it 
(sending server sends “end of message” but receiving server does not 
acknowledge), then the sending server assumes something went wrong and tries to 
send it again.

My guess would be it’s either happening between your outgoing SMTP server and 
Yahoo (or the next server if you’re relaying through another server) or 
internally in Yahoo. It’s very unlikely, particularly since you say it only 
happens with Yahoo, that it’s a problem in Mailman. Rather, it’s happening 
after Mailman is done with the message so is not a Mailman problem per se.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to subscribers

[Mark Sapiro]

On 01/08/2014 08:03 AM, Doug Hutson wrote:
> 
> So, my question specifically... does anybody have advice in what I
> should look for as to why this happened?


Look at the logs from your outgoing MTA. These should show all the
interactions with Yahoo and at least give you clues.

For the missing AOL mail, see the FAQ at .

Also look at Mailman's 'smtp' and smtp-failure' logs.

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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter Blast sending duplicates to subscribers

[Doug Hutson]

Hi,

We've been using mailman for quite a long time now, and suddenly the 
last newsletter we sent out sent duplicates to random users as far as I 
can tell.


All the people that have e-mailed us about this issue were specifically 
yahoo addresses.  Reports of 4-50 duplicates per user were sent to 
them.  We only have one list of users we send users to, and this is the 
first time this has ever happened.


I have a few accounts added to the list myself, and my aol account did 
not recieve the email at all.  Previously the aol account received the 
messages, I had a couple of the newsletters in my account still unread.


So, my question specifically... does anybody have advice in what I 
should look for as to why this happened?  I read a post from 2002 that 
was somewhat similar to this issue, but it had to do with not haveing 
enough memory... and currently my server has 53gigs free, so that 
couldn't be the issue... unless of course you have to 'allocate' memory 
to mailman in some config file.   We have about 12k users on our list.


Thank you in advance, and let me know if I lacked some details to help 
solve my issue.


Thanks,
Doug
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter bounce processing

[Mark Sapiro]

Robert M. Jenney wrote:
>
>**I send out newsletter A twice a month and want to be careful not to lose a
>subscriber unless it's clear the address is invalid. Please comment on these
>settings:
>
>4.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)
>
>90 Stale After (default is 7)


90 may be higher than you want here. Assume post 1 bounces, post 2 does
not and post 3 does, if you want the score resulting from post 3 to be
1 rather than 2 because of the apparent successful delivery of post 2,
then you want stale after to be < 30.

You are correct that it must be > 15 or all prior bounce info will be
stale.


>3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)
>
>14 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 


See below.

> 
>
>**Also, I send out newsletter B once a month. Please comment on these
>settings:
>
>3.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)
>
>120 Stale After (default is 7)


The same applies here. In this case, this must be > 30 but should be
less than 60 if you want to require 3 consecutive bounces for disable.


>3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)
>
>21 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 


See below

> 
>
>**Finally, I assume the Disabled Warnings receive the same bounce processing
>as the original newsletters. Correct?


No. Once a member's delivery is disabled by bounce, any subsequent
bounces are logged as residual but otherwise ignored, so bounces or
non-bounces of the disabled warning have no effect. The only thing
which will prevent the member from being removed after (disabled
warnings) X (disabled warning interval) days is re-enabling delivery,
either by the member from the member options page or by the admin.

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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter bounce processing

[Robert M. Jenney]

Good morning,

 

**I send out newsletter A twice a month and want to be careful not to lose a
subscriber unless it's clear the address is invalid. Please comment on these
settings:

4.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)

90 Stale After (default is 7)

3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)

14 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 

 

**Also, I send out newsletter B once a month. Please comment on these
settings:

3.0 Threshold (default is 5.0)

120 Stale After (default is 7)

3 Disabled Warnings (default is 3)

21 Disabled Warning Interval (default is 7) 

 

**Finally, I assume the Disabled Warnings receive the same bounce processing
as the original newsletters. Correct?

 

Thanks for the great service, Bob Jenney


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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter

[Mark Sapiro]

Gustavo U. Navarro wrote:

>Is there a tools in mailman for integrate a mailman list with a 
>newsletter!!!


I'm not sure what you are looking for, but see
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[Mailman-Users] newsletter

[Gustavo U. Navarro]

Hi
One questions!!
Is there a tools in mailman for integrate a mailman list with a 
newsletter!!!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter?

[Mark Sapiro]

Tara Star wrote:
>
>is there any way I can configure my mailman list to behave like a  
>newsletter? ie, 2-3 people can post to it, all others receive it, but  
>can't post. I've looked around in the admin interface and the docs  
>and I can't find anything about that.


Go to the FAQ wizard
>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
and search for newsletter.


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[Mailman-Users] newsletter?

[Tara Star]

Hello,

is there any way I can configure my mailman list to behave like a  
newsletter? ie, 2-3 people can post to it, all others receive it, but  
can't post. I've looked around in the admin interface and the docs  
and I can't find anything about that.

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter Lists

[neaton]

I have mailman on my hosting site.  I know how to set everything up as far
as new subscribers to the newsletter, etc.  How do I submit a message to al
members informing them that the new newsletter is posted on the website?
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[Szederyesi Iosif]

Hello,
 
I have a question regarding the functionality of the Mailman application...
Presuming this situation: I want to use Mailman for a newsletter on my site.
As an administrator, I can add a new user to the newsletter list. When I
want to send the weekly e-mail, I will send a single e-mail to the mailing
list, which will send the message to all subscribed users. I need to
configure Mailman to accept e-mails only from the administrator...so, the
subscribed users cannot send e-mail to the mailing list. Is this possible?
If yes, what should I set in the Mailman's configuration?
 
The Mailman is installed on the server where my site is hosted. I don't have
root access to install/modify anything on this server...
 
 
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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter Acknowledgement message customisation

[Simon Judge]

I've tried to follow
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp and
can't get the welcome message to customise... any ideas?

(MM version 2.0.13) 

Also, how do you change the acknowledgement e-mail's title?

Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter list welcome message

[Jon Carnes]

Just in case you have not figured this one out yet...

FAQ 3.11 refers to Mailman version 2.1.x

The directory  "/usr/local/mailman/lists" already exists.  In that
directory you will find subdirectories that are the same as the names of
your lists.

If you have a list named "goober" then you will have a directory:
  /usr/local/mailman/lists/goober

You will also see that there is a file:
  /usr/local/mailman/templates/en/subscribeack.txt

You can copy the entire "en" subdirectory over to your lists
subdirectory (your list does not yet have an "en" subdirectory).
After that, you can edit the files in there and have them be specific to
your list.  Neat feature!

Good Luck! 

Jon Carnes

On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 12:16, Jonathan Miller wrote:
> I've just read the FAQ, and section 3.11 gives good instructions on 
> making a list into a newsletter.
> 
> However, I have fallen at the first hurdle as far as altering the 
> welcome message goes...
>  From the FAQ:
> 
> "Create a directory lists//en ... and copy 
> templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory."
> 
> Where ought I create the "lists" directory? In the mailman folder? 
> (this did not seem to work)
> 
> I'd appreciate any clarification.
> Thanks
> 
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[Mailman-Users] newsletter list welcome message

[Jonathan Miller]

I've just read the FAQ, and section 3.11 gives good instructions on 
making a list into a newsletter.

However, I have fallen at the first hurdle as far as altering the 
welcome message goes...
From the FAQ:

"Create a directory lists//en ... and copy 
templates/subscribeack.txt to this directory."

Where ought I create the "lists" directory? In the mailman folder? 
(this did not seem to work)

I'd appreciate any clarification.
Thanks
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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter

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It appears my particular problem might be related to either qmail or  
verp.  Even if I have mailman configured correctly, my message headers  
include "Return-Path" which includes the email address of the original  
sender.  Does anyone have any idea of how I can easily parse this out?   
Does mailman have this capability?  Or is there an area of the code I  
can patch easily?

Thanks,
Curt
On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 09:14  AM, Andy Firman wrote:

On Sunday 23 February 2003 14:50, Curt Siffert wrote:
Is there a way to keep the email address of a sender from showing up
anywhere in the headers of the resulting email?
I've got a newsletter with everyone moderated except for one user, who
I'd like to be able to post to the list.  But if his email address
shows up in the email, someone else could forge it and be able to spam
the list, couldn't they?  Unless there's a way to hide the sender's
email address.  Is there a better way to handle this without requiring
someone to approve a message through the web interface?
Yes this is very simple and just by running a test list you will see  
how
easy it is.  Also, we just talked about this recently so look at the  
archives
and you will find lots of information there.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter

[Andy Firman]

On Sunday 23 February 2003 14:50, Curt Siffert wrote:
> Is there a way to keep the email address of a sender from showing up
> anywhere in the headers of the resulting email?
>
> I've got a newsletter with everyone moderated except for one user, who
> I'd like to be able to post to the list.  But if his email address
> shows up in the email, someone else could forge it and be able to spam
> the list, couldn't they?  Unless there's a way to hide the sender's
> email address.  Is there a better way to handle this without requiring
> someone to approve a message through the web interface?

Yes this is very simple and just by running a test list you will see how
easy it is.  Also, we just talked about this recently so look at the archives
and you will find lots of information there.

Andy

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[Mailman-Users] newsletter

[Curt Siffert]

Is there a way to keep the email address of a sender from showing up 
anywhere in the headers of the resulting email?

I've got a newsletter with everyone moderated except for one user, who 
I'd like to be able to post to the list.  But if his email address 
shows up in the email, someone else could forge it and be able to spam 
the list, couldn't they?  Unless there's a way to hide the sender's 
email address.  Is there a better way to handle this without requiring 
someone to approve a message through the web interface?

Thanks,
Curt
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[Mailman-Users] newsletter / announce-only

[Curt Siffert]

I'm on 2.1 and I've followed all the recommended instructions on 
setting up a newsletter:
	1) all members with moderate bit
	2) all moderated members with polite reject
	3) all non-members with reject
	4) munged headers with explicit reply-to

Now I'm trying to figure out how to post but it doesn't look like 
there's an ideal solution.

1) unsetting the moderate bit for a user allows that user to mail to 
the list without intervention, which is great, BUT that user's email 
address appears in the Return-Path header in the message source.  This 
has me concerned about others forging that email address and being able 
to post to the list.  Is it possible to hide the approved senders' 
email addresses entirely?

2) I can put addresses in non-member sender filters for "Hold" but it 
would be nicer if they could also be subscribed (which are all 
hard-coded to reject).  I guess I want an option to say "Have all 
moderated members set to Reject, except for these addresses, set to 
Hold."

3) I can change everyone to "hold" but I'm worried about weighing down 
the moderator.

Any ideas?  It's so close to perfect.

Curt

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question

[Norbert Bollow]

> I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and had =
> one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a newsletter =
> ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a way that =
> subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?

Yes... this is possible with Mailman... however Mailman's real
strengths are in the area of discussion lists.

Greetings, Norbert.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question

[mailman]

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, J. Alec West wrote:

> I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and had
> one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a newsletter
> ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a way that
> subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?

Setting up "one-way" lists must be the most popular question on this
list ...

To make a list announce-only, go to "Privacy Options" and set 'Restrict
posting privilege to list members?' to "No" -AND- add only yourself to the
next field, 'Addresses of members accepted for posting to this list ...'

(Note that the subscribers can always -attempt- to reply to the list;
there is nothing you can do to stop that; even if you set the Reply-To
header, folks can construct a new message any way they want.  But,
their attempts to post will be thwarted.)

See also:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq03.011.htp

That FAQ is a great resource; see:

  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
  http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=index

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Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter question

[Raquel Rice]

On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:17:54 -0700
"J. Alec West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows Mailman use and
> had one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used as a
> newsletter ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a
> way that subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?
> 
> Regards,
> J. Alec West

Yes it can.  What version will you have access to?

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[Mailman-Users] newsletter question

[J. Alec West]

Hello,
 
I'm considering switching to a webhost that allows 
Mailman use and had one simple question.  Can Mailman be set up to be used 
as a newsletter ... that is sent to a number of subscribers in such a way that 
subscribers cannot "reply" to the subscriber-list?
 
Regards,
J. Alec West
 

Re: [Mailman-Users] newsletter-list

[Detlef Neubauer]

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> I'd like to set up a mailinglist where only the list-owner can send
> messages. It should merely be kind of a "newsletter". Can this be done
> easily with mailman or is there much better software to do this ?

Yes you can. Take a look at the Privacy Options site.


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[Mailman-Users] newsletter-list

[pilsl]

I'd like to set up a mailinglist where only the list-owner can send
messages. It should merely be kind of a "newsletter". Can this be done
easily with mailman or is there much better software to do this ?

thnx,
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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter

[Richard Andersen]

To whom it may concern:

Our company is looking for a software solution to manage an e-mail
newsletter to our clients and other interested parties on a regular basis.
The letter will be fairly straight forward and go out in tens or possibly
hundreds, but certainly no bigger volume than that. We also want to be able
to manage the whole process internally once it has been set up.

Are you able to come up with a proposal in terms of price, time-line,
technical requirements etc, please?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Richard Andersen
Online Media Consultant
Unique Digital  
53 Corsica Street
London N5 1JT
t:  +44 (0)20 7354 5666
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Newsletter

[Alessio Bragadini]

Gary Harris wrote:

> Can someone tell me the EASIEST way to make mailman mailing lists "one
> way newsletters" only?

Create the list, go to the web interface, section "Privacy option", set 
"Must posts be approved by an administrator?" to Yes, "Restrict posting
privilege to list members?" to No, and put all addresses you wishes to
use in "Addresses of members accepted for posting".

You may also wish to tweak a little the messages sent when subscribing,
etc.

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[Mailman-Users] Newsletter

[Gary Harris]

Greetings,

Can someone tell me the EASIEST way to make mailman mailing lists "one
way newsletters" only?  I see it can be done, but not as simple as
with smartlist.  Am I missing something?


Thanks

Gary Harris
Arctic Barnabas Ministries
PO Box  3035
Soldotna, Alaska 99669
www.arcticbarnabas.org



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