Re: [Mailman-Users] Pipermail archives to https

[Mark Sapiro]

Don McGregor wrote:
>
>1. I want the existing archives (eg links to attachments in the  
>existing pipermail
>archives) to point to https rather than http. If I just do a sed
>script on archives/public/listname/*.txt to replace occurances
>of http://mySiteName with https://mySiteName will that cause the
>changes to ripple through to the  html?


No. Changing the *.txt files won't have any side effects on any other
files, but see below.


>2. Is there anything else to be alert for? I've changed the Defaults.py
>entries to
>
>Defaults.py:DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
>Defaults.py:PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/% 
>(listname)s'
>
>so will new entries have the https from the start?


Now that you've changed the url patterns, You're almost there assuming
you have a archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file for each
list (You do unless you changed ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to -1 or 0). Run

bin/arch --wipe listname

to rebuild the archives for each list. This will rerun the scrubber and
recreate links to attachments using the new patterns. See

for some caveats if you've ever edited the listname.mbox files.

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[Mailman-Users] Pipermail archives to https

[Don McGregor]

I want to move an existing installation over to an https
server of the same name.

Two questions:

1. I want the existing archives (eg links to attachments in the  
existing pipermail
archives) to point to https rather than http. If I just do a sed
script on archives/public/listname/*.txt to replace occurances
of http://mySiteName with https://mySiteName will that cause the
changes to ripple through to the  html?

2. Is there anything else to be alert for? I've changed the Defaults.py
entries to

Defaults.py:DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/mailman/'
Defaults.py:PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/% 
(listname)s'

so will new entries have the https from the start?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail+archives

[Mark Sapiro]

JC Dill wrote:

>Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
>> 
>>>I have seen in the list I use that these 2 headers are not all the times 
>>>existing, even if the mail that has been sent is an answer.
>>>Perhaps it depends of the MUA.
>> 
>> Yes, it depends on the MUA. The standard says these headers SHOULD be
>> included, not that they MUST be, so it is not wrong to omit them and
>> not all MUAs include them.
>
>This will also happen most of the time when the reply user is on digest, 
>because the digest has no reference header to the single article they 
>are replying to.  The exception may be if they are getting the digest 
>type that their email client can explode back into individual articles - 
>and if Mailman includes the reference header with the individual 
>articles.  Since I don't "do" digests, I don't know what the details are 
>with this type of digest and if threading works in this case or not. 
>Someone who knows more about this type of digest may be able to give 
>input on if it retains the references header for each post.

Yes. MIME format digests retain Message-ID:, References: and
In-Reply-To: headers from the individual messages so if the user's MUA
shows the individual message parts as separate messages that can be
separately replied to, and if the MUA properly creates References:
and/or In-Reply-To: headers in the reply, then threading will be
maintained.

Plain text format digests retain the Message-ID: header, but not any
References: or In-Reply-To: headers from the original post. In this
case, a sufficiently aware MUA that can explode the digest could still
create an In-Reply-To: header in a reply that would allow proper
threading, but few if any popular MUAs can do this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail+archives

[JC Dill]

Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
> 
>>I have seen in the list I use that these 2 headers are not all the times 
>>existing, even if the mail that has been sent is an answer.
>>Perhaps it depends of the MUA.
> 
> Yes, it depends on the MUA. The standard says these headers SHOULD be
> included, not that they MUST be, so it is not wrong to omit them and
> not all MUAs include them.

This will also happen most of the time when the reply user is on digest, 
because the digest has no reference header to the single article they 
are replying to.  The exception may be if they are getting the digest 
type that their email client can explode back into individual articles - 
and if Mailman includes the reference header with the individual 
articles.  Since I don't "do" digests, I don't know what the details are 
with this type of digest and if threading works in this case or not. 
Someone who knows more about this type of digest may be able to give 
input on if it retains the references header for each post.

jc
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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail+archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
>
>I have seen in the list I use that these 2 headers are not all the times 
>existing, even if the mail that has been sent is an answer.
>Perhaps it depends of the MUA.

Yes, it depends on the MUA. The standard says these headers SHOULD be
included, not that they MUST be, so it is not wrong to omit them and
not all MUAs include them.

You will see in the pipermail archives of this list for example that
meaasges which contain neither of these headers are not threaded to
prior messages with the same subject even though the content shows
they are clearly replies.

You will also see totally separate threads merged into one in the
archive because someone begins a new thread by 'replying' to a prior
message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail+archives

[Jean-Philippe GIOLA]

OK

I have seen in the list I use that these 2 headers are not all the times 
existing, even if the mail that has been sent is an answer.
Perhaps it depends of the MUA.

thanks

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
>  
>
>>On what is pipermail based on to make the coherence with the 
>>representation of the archives ?
>>i-e in order to know witch mail is a answer to another mail for the html 
>>representation for having a "three" representation.
>>
>>
>
>It uses the References: and/or the In-Reply-To: header
>
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>
>
>  
>


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Re: [Mailman-Users] pipermail+archives

[Mark Sapiro]

Jean-Philippe GIOLA wrote:
>
>On what is pipermail based on to make the coherence with the 
>representation of the archives ?
>i-e in order to know witch mail is a answer to another mail for the html 
>representation for having a "three" representation.

It uses the References: and/or the In-Reply-To: header

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[Mailman-Users] pipermail+archives

[Jean-Philippe GIOLA]

Hi all

On what is pipermail based on to make the coherence with the 
representation of the archives ?
i-e in order to know witch mail is a answer to another mail for the html 
representation for having a "three" representation.

reguards

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