[Mailman-Users] strange bounce message
A couple of people have sent replies to one of my lists today and several of the messages bounced like this: === THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE === A temporary error occured while delivering to the following address(es): pfenno at ncees.org: 454 TLS not available, must be connected via TCP I will continue trying to send the message until it is delivered or expires. They've replied without incident before. It looks like they have changed something on their end to require the message to be delivered TLS, which the server this message is attempting to deliver to does not support, and that there is nothing I can do...is that correct. What can I tell the sender to do to prevent this? Any pointers would be appreciated. I've been using mailman for a couple of years and haven't run into this before. -- Anne -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange bounce message
Anne Ramey wrote: A couple of people have sent replies to one of my lists today and several of the messages bounced like this: === THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE === A temporary error occured while delivering to the following address(es): pfenno at ncees.org: 454 TLS not available, must be connected via TCP I will continue trying to send the message until it is delivered or expires. They've replied without incident before. Are you saying the list is pfenno at ncees.org and replyers received that bounce instead of the reply going to the list? Are they all in the same domain? Did the bounces all come from the same MTA? which one? It looks like they have changed something on their end to require the message to be delivered TLS, which the server this message is attempting to deliver to does not support, and that there is nothing I can do...is that correct. Maybe. This may also be a temporary issue with your incoming MTA that may resolve before the messages expire and they may be ultimately delivered. What can I tell the sender to do to prevent this? Any pointers would be appreciated. I've been using mailman for a couple of years and haven't run into this before. Probably nothing, but it may depend on the answers to my first set of questions. If in fact something has changed at their end, they probably can't do anything about it unless they changed it in which case they should already know what to do about it. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange bounce message
Anne Ramey wrote: A couple of people have sent replies to one of my lists today and several of the messages bounced like this: === THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE === A temporary error occured while delivering to the following address(es): pfenno at ncees.org: 454 TLS not available, must be connected via TCP I will continue trying to send the message until it is delivered or expires. They've replied without incident before. It looks like they have changed something on their end to require the message to be delivered TLS, which the server this message is attempting to deliver to does not support, and that there is nothing I can do...is that correct. What can I tell the sender to do to prevent this? Any pointers would be appreciated. I've been using mailman for a couple of years and haven't run into this before. This is an smtp mail server error which has nothing to do with mailman. It looks like the message is coming from their local smtp server and is saying that their smtp server can't reach your smtp server. If the people who are getting these bounce messages are all sending from different servers then the problem is with your smtp server. jc -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange bounce message
Anne Ramey wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Anne Ramey wrote: A couple of people have sent replies to one of my lists today and several of the messages bounced like this: === THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE === A temporary error occured while delivering to the following address(es): pfenno at ncees.org: 454 TLS not available, must be connected via TCP I will continue trying to send the message until it is delivered or expires. They've replied without incident before. Are you saying the list is pfenno at ncees.org and replyers received that bounce instead of the reply going to the list? They are telling me the reply when to all but 3 people on the list, who got this message. I'm confused. W replied to the list. The reply reached the list and was received by all but X, Y and Z who received the above message. Is this correct? Were X, Y and Z prior posters in the thread and mentioned in To: or Cc:? Are they all in the same domain? I think so, yes. Did the bounces all come from the same MTA? which one? I think they must have come from the ncees.org mta, but I don't see the corresponding messages in the logs. What was in the From: header of the above message? That specific message should only be sent to the sender of the post, W in this case. Is it possible that W received the three messages (or one message) mentioning X, Y and Z? snip If in fact something has changed at their end, they probably can't do anything about it unless they changed it in which case they should already know what to do about it. Not likely with this group. If their tech dept.s changed something, they may have no idea. I'm trying to figure out if it has to do with mailman's method of delivery or the sender's/replier's method of sending (in addition to trying to figure out what to tell them). That's what I was trying to say. If something changed at their end, they personally probably can't do anything about it unless they personally did the change. I'm still not sure what's going on, but I am guessing that what really happened is that W's reply was sent directly to X, Y and Z (via To: or Cc:) and your list didn't send to them at all and the 'delivery delay' notice(s) was sent to W and that the problem has nothing to do with your list and involves delivery of mail from W directly to X, Y and Z. We need more specific information about what was sent and how and who received these notices and their full contents and headers, not just the above excerpt, before we can know for sure. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] strange bounce message
I'm looking at this again and I have more thoughts/questions. Mark Sapiro wrote: Anne Ramey wrote: Mark Sapiro wrote: Anne Ramey wrote: snip A temporary error occured while delivering to the following address(es): pfenno at ncees.org: 454 TLS not available, must be connected via TCP snip Are you saying the list is pfenno at ncees.org and replyers received that bounce instead of the reply going to the list? You didn't really answer. Is pfenno at ncees.org the list or perhaps a list member or? snip Did the bounces all come from the same MTA? which one? I think they must have come from the ncees.org mta, but I don't see the corresponding messages in the logs. I don't think so. The message appears to have originated from an MTA that was trying to deliver to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and was unable to establish an SMTP session. If there's anything in the logs at ncees.org it would only be a connection refusal. I think we still need more information. -- Mark Sapiro msapiro at value.net The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
