Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Yes, I get the auto discard message with the pdf attached.

Thank you! via http://listhelper.nongnu.org/mailmanconf.html I found where
generic_nonmember_action was and discovered that the email address was in
the List of non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically
discarded. Crikey. my bad, I must have clicked wrongly one time!

Thanks for your patience Mark! :-)

Tom.


On Thu, 17 Oct 2019 at 15:01, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/17/19 2:38 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> > All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
> > double-checked and no rules in there
>
> How do you know when a message is discarded? Do you get a message from
> Mailman with Subject: Auto-discard notification with the message attached.
>
> If so, the post is from a nonmember and either the nonmember address or
> a regexp pattern matching the address is in discard_these_nonmembers or
> generic_nonmember_action is Discard.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/17/19 2:38 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
> double-checked and no rules in there

How do you know when a message is discarded? Do you get a message from
Mailman with Subject: Auto-discard notification with the message attached.

If so, the post is from a nonmember and either the nonmember address or
a regexp pattern matching the address is in discard_these_nonmembers or
generic_nonmember_action is Discard.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

All my stuff is typically default and not set unless ye told me here. I
double-checked and no rules in there

On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 18:01, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On October 16, 2019 9:16:14 AM PDT, Tom Corcoran 
> wrote:
> >thanks, Mark,
> >
> >Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> >   boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: message/rfc822
> >Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >   boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
> >Content-Type: text/plain;
> >   charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: text/html;
> >   charset="us-ascii"
> >Content-Type: application/pdf;
>
>
> Ok. It's not content filtering doing the discarding.
>
> What's in Privacy options -> Spam filters?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Mark Sapiro]

On October 16, 2019 9:16:14 AM PDT, Tom Corcoran  wrote:
>thanks, Mark,
>
>Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>   boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Type: message/rfc822
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>   boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
>Content-Type: text/plain;
>   charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Type: text/html;
>   charset="us-ascii"
>Content-Type: application/pdf;


Ok. It's not content filtering doing the discarding.

What's in Privacy options -> Spam filters?



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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

thanks, Mark,

Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0029_01D583FA.47355D80"
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_001_002A_01D583FA.47355D80"
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Type: application/pdf;


Phew!


Tom.


On Wed, 16 Oct 2019 at 15:43, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/16/19 1:30 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> > Thanks, Mark.
> >
> > Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but
> an
> > email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
> >
> > My pass_mime_types is now:
> >
> > multipart
> > message/rfc822
> > application/pgp-signature
> > text/plain
> > text/html
> > application/pdf
>
>
> That looks good.
>
>
> > Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:
> >
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="
> >
> > Do I need to add
> > multipart/mixed
> > to pass_mime_types or something?
>
> No. "multipart" includes all sub-types of multipart. With the settings
> you have, it is unlikely that content filtering removed all of the
> message. What are the Content-Types of all of the subparts?. If you can
> post all the Content-Type headers and boundaries, we can be sure. A
> simple example of what I mean is:
>
>
>
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> boundary="_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w"
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> > ...
> > --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w--
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/16/19 1:30 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> Thanks, Mark.
> 
> Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but an
> email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(
> 
> My pass_mime_types is now:
> 
> multipart
> message/rfc822
> application/pgp-signature
> text/plain
> text/html
> application/pdf


That looks good.


> Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:
> 
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="
> 
> Do I need to add
> multipart/mixed
> to pass_mime_types or something?

No. "multipart" includes all sub-types of multipart. With the settings
you have, it is unlikely that content filtering removed all of the
message. What are the Content-Types of all of the subparts?. If you can
post all the Content-Type headers and boundaries, we can be sure. A
simple example of what I mean is:



> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w"
> ...
> --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> ...
> --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w
> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> ...
> --_av-SpnTZ0TWNMJ4n1S5X_0G2w--




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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Mark.

Having sent my test email with pdf attached I thought all was fine, but an
email from a club with pdf was auto discarded this morning :-(

My pass_mime_types is now:

multipart
message/rfc822
application/pgp-signature
text/plain
text/html
application/pdf

Looking at the header of the  message discarded I see:

MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===12345678=="

Do I need to add
multipart/mixed
to pass_mime_types or something?

Thanks!

Tom.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 at 19:20, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/14/19 3:27 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> >
> > The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.
>
>
> In order to solve this issue, you need to understand why the messages
> are being discarded. The FAQ at  lists
> the various list settings that can cause this. I will try to translate:
>
> MimeDel: Does your list have Content filtering -> filter_content set to
> Yes. If so, and pass_mime_types is non-empty and does not contain at least
>   multipart
>   text/plain
>   text/html
>   application/pdf
> Content filtering may be removing the entire message. Simplest solution
> is to set filter_content Off.
>
> Moderate: probably not the issue in your case.
>
> Scrubber: If your list's Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest setting
> is Yes, this is a possibility but not likely. You can set it to No.
>
> SpamDetect: If your list's Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> dmarc_moderation_action is set to Discard, set it to Munge From. The
> other things under SpamDetect are not likely, but you can check if your
> list has anything in Privacy options... -> Spam filters ->
> header_filter_rules with a Discard action.
>
> The above are all settings in Mailman's list admin UI.
>
>
> > I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
> > newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.
>
>
> I don't know what "whitelisted in cpanel" means. It may mean the address
> is added to Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
> accept_these_nonmembers, but if so, that is not relevant.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/14/19 3:27 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> 
> The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.


In order to solve this issue, you need to understand why the messages
are being discarded. The FAQ at  lists
the various list settings that can cause this. I will try to translate:

MimeDel: Does your list have Content filtering -> filter_content set to
Yes. If so, and pass_mime_types is non-empty and does not contain at least
  multipart
  text/plain
  text/html
  application/pdf
Content filtering may be removing the entire message. Simplest solution
is to set filter_content Off.

Moderate: probably not the issue in your case.

Scrubber: If your list's Non-digest options -> scrub_nondigest setting
is Yes, this is a possibility but not likely. You can set it to No.

SpamDetect: If your list's Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
dmarc_moderation_action is set to Discard, set it to Munge From. The
other things under SpamDetect are not likely, but you can check if your
list has anything in Privacy options... -> Spam filters ->
header_filter_rules with a Discard action.

The above are all settings in Mailman's list admin UI.


> I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
> newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.


I don't know what "whitelisted in cpanel" means. It may mean the address
is added to Privacy options... -> Sender filters ->
accept_these_nonmembers, but if so, that is not relevant.

I hope this helps.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

I have a mailing list setup so myself and my wife get emails re our kids,
from school, sports clubs, etc. We want everything to come through so I
wish there was an option for that!

As reported in this thread I have no auto discard set, with "Discard held
messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic
discarding." set to 0. I was told here that the later only affects messages
which are held for moderation and still waiting moderator action after
max_days_to_hold days.

The faq mentioned is unreadable for a non-expert.

I am still getting auto discard from a club email that sends a pdf
newsletter, I have the address whitelisted in cpanel.

Please, can someone advise me?

Cheers,

Tom.


On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 at 16:35, Tom Corcoran  wrote:

> Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as
> anything due shows on the first page always.
>
> btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I
> guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not
> have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to
> be moderated.
>
> On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>> >
>> > For a list of possible reasons for this, see
>> > > >.
>>
>>
>> This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Tom Corcoran]

Thanks, Mark. I'm unsure how I missed the moderation for so long as
anything due shows on the first page always.

btw, I read the faq page and I do not have a notion what it is saying! I
guess it's a faq page for someone in the loop. I'm unsure why it could not
have the simple explanation you gave regarding the message still needed to
be moderated.

On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 20:05, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> >
> > For a list of possible reasons for this, see
> > .
>
>
> This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
> .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/1/19 11:45 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> 
> For a list of possible reasons for this, see
> .


This has now been summarized in a new FAQ at
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop auto discarding when whitelisted and automatic discarding set to 0?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 9/30/19 8:58 AM, Tom Corcoran wrote:
> 
> I have some mailing lists setup on cpanel. One address I have added to my
> whitelist in spamassain. I also have no auto discard set, with "Discard
> held messages older than this number of days. Use 0 for no automatic
> discarding." set to 0.


This only affects messages which are held for moderation and still
waiting moderator action after max_days_to_hold days.


> However, emails from this address come in as auto discarded.


For a list of possible reasons for this, see
.

The most likely reason is the message is HTML only and Mailman's content
filtering does not accept HTML. Note that if pass_mime_types is
non-empty, convert_html_to_plaintext is only effective if text/html is
included in pass_mime_types.

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