Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation On Separate Server Plausible?

[Mark Sapiro]

James Reid wrote:
>
>Is this something that would become *easier* if it were done using the
>MYSQL plugin that is floating around?


If by "MYSQL plugin", you mean a MySQL Member Adaptor, then no. That
has only to do with list membership. It has nothing to do with
delivery of mail to Mailman.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation On Separate Server Plausible?

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Brad Knowles writes:

 > You can certainly configure Mailman to use your new mail-only server as 
 > the external mail interface to the world, but I think you're going to 
 > need to have some sort of mail server running on the web server machine, 
 > 
 > The only other solution I can see is to have your mail server and web 
 > server both mount and share the same file storage,
 > 
 > However, neither of these is an easy configuration to set up or 
 > maintain, at least not relative to the typical method.

Setting up a webhost MTA to talk only to the mail server host is much
easier than setting up a networked filesystem, and far more robust in
my experience.  Even if you already have networked file systems in
place, the requirements placed by mail servers, webservers, and local
users on the networked file system are rather different, and unless
you're already managing all of those on the networked file system,
trying to tune and maintain the networked file system is going to cost
way more in admin time and system down time than the internal-only MTA
on the webhost.  (But listen to Brad and Mark, not me, if they say
something different.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation On Separate Server Plausible?

[James Reid]

Hi Brad,

Is this something that would become *easier* if it were done using the
MYSQL plugin that is floating around?

Thanks!
James.

> on 5/14/09 8:45 PM, Carlos Williams said:
>
>> I am being told that my Postfix email server can no longer run Apache
>> on the same physical server. The management has decided for specific
>> reasons that Apache can only be installed and configured on the web
>> server, not the mail server. The mail server will simply run Postfix /
>> Dovecot.
>
> You can certainly configure Mailman to use your new mail-only server as
> the external mail interface to the world, but I think you're going to
> need to have some sort of mail server running on the web server machine,
> even if that mail server is not otherwise externally accessible.  The
> reason is because of the way that messages are handed off to Mailman --
> via e-mail.
>
> The only other solution I can see is to have your mail server and web
> server both mount and share the same file storage, so that the mail
> server can provide the message input to Mailman (as well as the
> archiving, mailing the messages back out to the subscribers, etc...),
> and the web server can provide the WebUI for interacting with Mailman.
>
>
> However, neither of these is an easy configuration to set up or
> maintain, at least not relative to the typical method.  I think we've
> got some pointers on doing this kind of thing in the FAQ and in the
> archives of this list, but there may be some details which are not clear
> to you and will need further clarification.
>
>> This will force me to move web mail (RoundCube) & MailMan to my web
>> server! My question is can I have MailMan function from scratch (no
>> data needs to be migrated to the new install) from my web server and
>> work?
>
> You still need access to the data.  You can't just install a web server
> on another machine and expect it to magically have all the data.  And
> you still need to provide some way to update that data, and you still
> need some way to provide e-mail input and output to that system.
>
> There are a few ways to solve these issues, but each has a different set
> of trade-offs, etc
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation On Separate Server Plausible?

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>on 5/14/09 8:45 PM, Carlos Williams said:
>
>> I am being told that my Postfix email server can no longer run Apache
>> on the same physical server. The management has decided for specific
>> reasons that Apache can only be installed and configured on the web
>> server, not the mail server. The mail server will simply run Postfix /
>> Dovecot.
>
>You can certainly configure Mailman to use your new mail-only server as 
>the external mail interface to the world, but I think you're going to 
>need to have some sort of mail server running on the web server machine, 
>even if that mail server is not otherwise externally accessible.  The 
>reason is because of the way that messages are handed off to Mailman -- 
>via e-mail.


This is the best solution. I.e., run Postfix (or another MTA) on the
new Mailman/webserver and use aliases or whatever on the primary MX to
relay list mail to Mailman.

You can also do this step by having list mail delivered to mailboxes on
the primary MX and then moving the mail via pop3/imap from the
mailboxes to Mailman with fetchmail or similar, although that may be
more difficult to configure.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation On Separate Server Plausible?

[Adam McGreggor]

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 09:45:33PM -0400, Carlos Williams wrote:
> I am being told that my Postfix email server can no longer run Apache
> on the same physical server. The management has decided for specific
> reasons that Apache can only be installed and configured on the web
> server, not the mail server. The mail server will simply run Postfix /
> Dovecot.

*tongue in cheek* use another httpd/web-server?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Installation On Separate Server Plausible?

[Brad Knowles]

on 5/14/09 8:45 PM, Carlos Williams said:


I am being told that my Postfix email server can no longer run Apache
on the same physical server. The management has decided for specific
reasons that Apache can only be installed and configured on the web
server, not the mail server. The mail server will simply run Postfix /
Dovecot.


You can certainly configure Mailman to use your new mail-only server as 
the external mail interface to the world, but I think you're going to 
need to have some sort of mail server running on the web server machine, 
even if that mail server is not otherwise externally accessible.  The 
reason is because of the way that messages are handed off to Mailman -- 
via e-mail.


The only other solution I can see is to have your mail server and web 
server both mount and share the same file storage, so that the mail 
server can provide the message input to Mailman (as well as the 
archiving, mailing the messages back out to the subscribers, etc...), 
and the web server can provide the WebUI for interacting with Mailman.



However, neither of these is an easy configuration to set up or 
maintain, at least not relative to the typical method.  I think we've 
got some pointers on doing this kind of thing in the FAQ and in the 
archives of this list, but there may be some details which are not clear 
to you and will need further clarification.



This will force me to move web mail (RoundCube) & MailMan to my web
server! My question is can I have MailMan function from scratch (no
data needs to be migrated to the new install) from my web server and
work?


You still need access to the data.  You can't just install a web server 
on another machine and expect it to magically have all the data.  And 
you still need to provide some way to update that data, and you still 
need some way to provide e-mail input and output to that system.


There are a few ways to solve these issues, but each has a different set 
of trade-offs, etc


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