Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Amos Glenn]

Stephen wins the cupie doll.
The low-tech route was successful. "Unresponsive" turned to "very responsive
with stunningly short turn around time" when the issue of spam was brought
up in connection to various authorities (not the cops, though). Someone was
spooked. Really, though, it's too bad; I was kinda looking forward to the
tech challenge.

Thanks for all your ideas and assistance.

~Amos

On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Amos Glenn writes:
>
>  > But between then and now, the group let the domain name lapse and
> someone
>  > else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the Mailman
> list
>  > admin website to turn the list off.
>  >
>  > I contacted the web host and they were "unresponsive."
>
> What do you mean by "web host"?  The owners of the domain name?  They
> very likely can't do anything about it anyway, because they have no
> access to the hardware where Mailman is actually running.  In that
> case you simply need to get in touch with the service that was running
> Mailman for you.
>
> If you mean the host where Mailman is running is unresponsive, there
> is nothing you can do except call the cops and tell them the host is
> spamming your ex subscribers and won't stop.
>
>


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/03/2008 12:35 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

There are a couple of techy ways you could do this:

- Point the hosts file at the relevant IP address of the web server 
you use to manage the domain/Mailman setup, then point a web browser 
at it.  It should work locally.


- If you have a local DNS server, and you know the authoritative DNS 
servers provided by the original web host, create a stub zone with 
the relevant NS records pointing to those nameservers.  When a client 
using that nameserver tries to resolve the relevant domain name, the 
DNS resolver should look up and return the records from the old 
webhost.


Hat's off to you Andrew.  I was going to recommend the exact same thing. 
 I just wanted to see if any one else thought of this.


I'll give a little more detail on how to do this so it is easier for the OP.

On a Windows NT/2k/XP/2k3/2k8/Vista system, you need to edit the "hosts" 
file, which should be located in the %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc 
directory (%SystemRoot% usually evaluates to C:\Windows or C:\WinNT 
depending on version).  You need to add a new line any where in the file 
that has the IP address and a few spaces and the domain name (with or 
with out the www.).  Close your web browser that you want to use, flush 
your DNS ("ipconfig /flushdns" at a command prompt, or just reboot), 
re-open your web browser and try the domain name.  To remove the 
listing, just delete the line from the hosts file and re-flush things.


On a unix system, you will need root (or comparable) access to edit the 
/etc/hosts file, with the same type of routine as above.  I don't know a 
convenient way to flush DNS on a unix box, so just try closing and 
re-opening your web browser.


On a Mac... Sorry, I don't know on a Mac.  OS X (any release) should be 
similar to unix (seeing as how it is a BSD and all).  As for Classic OS 
(1-9) I have *NO* clue.


If any one wants an explanation as to why or how this works, just ask.



Grant. . . .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Andrew Hodgson]

Amos Glenn wrote:

>But between then and now, the group let the domain name lapse and someone
>else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the Mailman list
>admin website to turn the list off.

There are a couple of techy ways you could do this:

- Point the hosts file at the relevant IP address of the web server you use to 
manage the domain/Mailman setup, then point a web browser at it.  It should 
work locally.

- If you have a local DNS server, and you know the authoritative DNS servers 
provided by the original web host, create a stub zone with the relevant NS 
records pointing to those nameservers.  When a client using that nameserver 
tries to resolve the relevant domain name, the DNS resolver should look up and 
return the records from the old webhost.

Thanks.
Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Brad Knowles]

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:


 > Access the web admin interface using the IP address of the server
 > rather than the domain name in the host part of the URL.

Will that actually work in a virtual hosting environment?


Depends on how the virtual hosting environment was set up.  If they gave you 
a unique IP address for your service (presumably so that you can do both 
HTTP and SSL-enabled HTTPS), then yes -- that should work.


If not, then the OP may be screwed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Mark Sapiro writes:
 > Amos Glenn wrote:
 > >
 > >But between then and now, the group let the domain name lapse and someone
 > >else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the Mailman list
 > >admin website to turn the list off.
 > 
 > Access the web admin interface using the IP address of the server
 > rather than the domain name in the host part of the URL.

Will that actually work in a virtual hosting environment?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Jan Steinman]

From: Jan Steinman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'd start slamming the list with thousands of messages (yea, I know,  
unkind to the hapless subscribers) in the hope that all the bounces  
and admin backscatter will spur the new domain owner into action.


Before everyone starts jumping all over me for writing this, I should  
have bracketed that with ... Please don't do that.


Mark's suggestion that you politely tell the hosting service that the  
list will be reported to various spam cops as a spam site should get  
results. Do "whois domainname" to find out the email addresses of  
people who can help you.


 The Earth isn't a pizza. You can't dial up and have one  
delivered! -- Alf 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Jan Steinman]

From: "Amos Glenn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

... the group let the domain name lapse and someone
else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the  
Mailman list

admin website to turn the list off.

I contacted the web host and they were "unresponsive."


Don't get me started on this topic! I have been fighting to  
reinstate a lapsed domain name for one of my clients for a YEAR now!  
The original registrar (RegisterFly -- avoid like the plague!) went  
bankrupt, and they went dark for a couple months, and didn't notify my  
client their name lapsed. Then another registrar took over the name,  
again without notifying the registrant. Now RegisterFly is re-org'd  
and back in business, but they won't reinstate the name, pointing to  
the other registrar (ENOM), who points back. WHAT A MESS!


Moral of the story, don't EVER let a domain name lapse if you think  
you might want it again. Unless you've got very deep pockets.



Is there some other way to stop the list?



On the other hand, I'm amazed it is still up and running. I would  
write to the new owners, pointing out that it is in their best  
interest to stop this "parasitic" use of their resources, that they  
are paying for. If that doesn't get results, I'd start slamming the  
list with thousands of messages (yea, I know, unkind to the hapless  
subscribers) in the hope that all the bounces and admin backscatter  
will spur the new domain owner into action.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Lapsed domain name

[Mark Sapiro]

Amos Glenn wrote:
>
>But between then and now, the group let the domain name lapse and someone
>else now owns the domain name. Thus I can no longer get to the Mailman list
>admin website to turn the list off.


Access the web admin interface using the IP address of the server
rather than the domain name in the host part of the URL.

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