Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders

[Dave Sherohman]

On Mon, Jan 29, 2001 at 03:11:28PM +1000, Mitchell wrote:
> nd I really don't want all the subscribers of program-users to get the
> password for the list subscription. 
> 
> So can I turn off password reminders for program-users?? 
> 
> any hints appreciated.

Do it a different way:  On the Privacy Options page for program-users,
add program-announce-admin to the list of "Addresses whose postings
are always held for approval."  That should stop password reminders (or
anything else from program-announce-admin) from going to program-users
without your explicit consent.

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders

[Richard Idalski]

It should be nothing more than a matter of commenting out a cron entry.

  Simply comment out this line for mailman's cron

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
#0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

If it hasn't sent out yet I imagine that it is already commented out.


-Richard Idalski

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Hello All,

I received a reminder of my password to this mailing list this morning and
presume that the mailing list I am running will do likewise in a couple of
days time. The mailing list I run is one which passwords are not needed
because people opt-in to the mailing list, no welcome message was
distributed, so no password has been displayed to anyone.

Is there a way, does anyone know, of turning off the monthly reminders? I am
currently running mailman 2.0.5 but is not hosted in-house and I have little
to no control over upgrading.

Many thanks,

Mark Fried
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders

[Jessica Koeppel]

There is also a per-list option, which I believe controls this. (I haven't
actually experimented to make sure it works as I expect it to, though!).

On the list's General Options page, a little more than half way down,
you'll find "Send monthly password reminders or no?".

So you ought to be able to turn this off only for lists where it's
inappropriate, but leave it on (leave the cron job on!) for lists
where it is appropriate.

--jessica


"Richard Idalski" wrote:
>It should be nothing more than a matter of commenting out a cron entry.
>
>  Simply comment out this line for mailman's cron
>
># 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
>#0 5 1 * * /usr/local/bin/python -S /home/mailman/cron/mailpasswds
>
>If it hasn't sent out yet I imagine that it is already commented out.
>
>
>-Richard Idalski
>
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:05 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders
>
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>I received a reminder of my password to this mailing list this morning and
>presume that the mailing list I am running will do likewise in a couple of
>days time. The mailing list I run is one which passwords are not needed
>because people opt-in to the mailing list, no welcome message was
>distributed, so no password has been displayed to anyone.
>
>Is there a way, does anyone know, of turning off the monthly reminders? I am
>currently running mailman 2.0.5 but is not hosted in-house and I have little
>to no control over upgrading.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Mark Fried
>AlphaCadia Plc.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders

[J C Lawrence]

On Sun, 01 Sep 2002 17:45:26 -0500 
Doc Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12

> Is there a fix for this?

v2.1

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders

[Doc Schneider]

J C,

Is v2.1 going to be released soon?

And is it easy to upgraded from 2.0.12?

> > I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12
> 
> > Is there a fix for this?
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> v2.1




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders

[Larry Rosenman]

On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 18:10, Doc Schneider wrote:
> J C,
> 
> Is v2.1 going to be released soon?
Don't know about this...
> 
> And is it easy to upgraded from 2.0.12?
> 
I did this, it's pretty painless.  All the aliases need to be redone,
but there is a script for this.  The crontab changes, and you need a new
daemon running (an initscript is provided).

You do need Python 2.1 or higher. 

Not a biggie.

LER
> > > I thought this was fixed by upgrading to MM 2.0.12
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> > > Is there a fix for this?
> > 
> > v2.1
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders

[Doc Schneider]

> > Is v2.1 going to be released soon?
> Don't know about this...
> > 
> > And is it easy to upgraded from 2.0.12?
> > 
> I did this, it's pretty painless.  All the aliases need to be redone,
> but there is a script for this.  The crontab changes, and you need a new
> daemon running (an initscript is provided).

I'm just now installing it on a test platform to see what is involved! 8*)

And I run Python 2.2.1 or whatever the latest is so you're right, no biggie. 
 
> You do need Python 2.1 or higher. 
> 
> Not a biggie.
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password reminders

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 8/1/2014 9:11 AM, Peter Brooks wrote:


Does anybody know why mailman stores passwords in clear text?


Because it was easy?

http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+2.1+Members+Manual
6 Passwords
Do NOT use a valuable password for Mailman, since it can be sent in plain 
text to you.



Are there any plans to tighten the security up?

http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0


Later,

z!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password reminders

[Ed Kaler]

<< On 8/1/2014 11:11 AM, Peter Brooks wrote:

Does anybody know why mailman stores passwords in clear text?  ??

Peter, just use the "Archives" link a bottom and search last month .

Enough info to last you a month .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password reminders

[Peter Brooks]

Thank you, yes, I see, I should have researched further before asking.

On 2 August 2014 03:08, Ed Kaler  wrote:
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> << On 8/1/2014 11:11 AM, Peter Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Does anybody know why mailman stores passwords in clear text?  ??
>
> Peter, just use the "Archives" link a bottom and search last month .
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> Enough info to last you a month .
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders Sent Incorrently

[Mark Sapiro]

MailList wrote:
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>We picked up that password reminders were sent to subscribers of our lists
>where the Password Reminder Option was set to OFF. What could be the cause
>of this erratic behavior ?


Is it possible that these members were receiving reminders from OTHER
lists on the same server?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders Sent Incorrently

[MailList]

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 4:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Password Reminders Sent Incorrently

MailList wrote:
>
>We picked up that password reminders were sent to subscribers of our lists
>where the Password Reminder Option was set to OFF. What could be the cause
>of this erratic behavior ?


Is it possible that these members were receiving reminders from OTHER
lists on the same server?

>> It's not possible as I got some of the mails forwarded to me and we don't
>> have unique users subscribed to unique lists..
 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders and unsubscribed users

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Miller wrote:

>I am running mailman 2.1.9.cp2 and have an ongoing issue I can't find an
>solution for.  There are a number of people who have unsubscribed to my
>list, yet they continue to receive monthly password reminders.  A few months
>ago I even disabled the password reminder for the list as a whole, and that
>works for all the subscribed users, yet the old unsubscribed users still
>continue to receive reminders!  I verified once again today that these users
>are not subscribed.  They themselves have no access to the user admin stuff,
>even with the password mailman just sent them and they receive no other
>email traffic from the list, just the password reminders.
> 
>Any idea what is causing this, and how to fix the problem?  I am about to
>just remove the password reminder cron entry, which I know disables
>reminders for all list, unless someone has a clue what is going on here.  An
>archive search shows no help for this issue, though it has been mentioned
>before.


There have been past reports of this, and the ones that haven't been
resolved are from cPanel installations.

See
.

It's even worse than just unsubscribed members still getting reminders.
See

for a report of users receiving reminders from a deleted list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders and unsubscribed users

[Brad Knowles]

On 5/1/07, Jim Miller wrote:

>  I am running mailman 2.1.9.cp2 and have an ongoing issue I can't find an
>  solution for.

First off, this is a cPanel version.  See FAQ 6.11.

>  Any idea what is causing this, and how to fix the problem?  I am about to
>  just remove the password reminder cron entry, which I know disables
>  reminders for all list, unless someone has a clue what is going on here.  An
>  archive search shows no help for this issue, though it has been mentioned
>  before.

I'm guessing you have more than one copy of Mailman installed, and 
that it's the other version which is sending out the notices.  Talk 
to your service provider to find out for sure.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders and unsubscribed users

[Jim Miller]

Thanks for the reply Mark.  I do have a ticket opened with cpanel.  I was
hoping that I might get some insight on this issue here as well, since I did
see some old inquiries about this same problem in the archives, and it was
not related to cpanel installs.  I did not see resolution to any of those
older archive issues.  I have no idea how the password reminder script is
coming up with these old/deleted users to send them reminders, they simply
do not seem to even exist anywhere!  For now, I have just removed the
reminder script from being called by cron, seems brute force may be the only
solution!

jim 

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders and unsubscribed users

Jim Miller wrote:

>I am running mailman 2.1.9.cp2 and have an ongoing issue I can't find 
>an solution for.  There are a number of people who have unsubscribed to 
>my list, yet they continue to receive monthly password reminders.  A 
>few months ago I even disabled the password reminder for the list as a 
>whole, and that works for all the subscribed users, yet the old 
>unsubscribed users still continue to receive reminders!  I verified 
>once again today that these users are not subscribed.  They themselves 
>have no access to the user admin stuff, even with the password mailman 
>just sent them and they receive no other email traffic from the list, just
the password reminders.
> 
>Any idea what is causing this, and how to fix the problem?  I am about 
>to just remove the password reminder cron entry, which I know disables 
>reminders for all list, unless someone has a clue what is going on 
>here.  An archive search shows no help for this issue, though it has 
>been mentioned before.


There have been past reports of this, and the ones that haven't been
resolved are from cPanel installations.

See
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.011.htp>.

It's even worse than just unsubscribed members still getting reminders.
See
<http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-February/055638.html>
for a report of users receiving reminders from a deleted list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders and unsubscribed users

[Mark Sapiro]

Jim Miller wrote:

>Thanks for the reply Mark.  I do have a ticket opened with cpanel.  I was
>hoping that I might get some insight on this issue here as well, since I did
>see some old inquiries about this same problem in the archives, and it was
>not related to cpanel installs.  I did not see resolution to any of those
>older archive issues.


Generally, as Brad noted in another reply, in a Mailman from source
installation, this issue comes about because the site decides to
install an upgrade in a new location, and the old crontab running the
old cron/mailpasswds against the old lists is left in place.


>I have no idea how the password reminder script is
>coming up with these old/deleted users to send them reminders, they simply
>do not seem to even exist anywhere!  For now, I have just removed the
>reminder script from being called by cron, seems brute force may be the only
>solution!


And it may not even work. I too have no idea how this happens, but
based on other reports including the one I pointed to in my prior
reply, there is some cPanel magic involved.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders, subscribers with [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[John W. Baxter]

On 6/1/06 7:51 AM, "Dewhirst, Rob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a mailing list set up to send monthly password reminders.
> 
> Today, two of these reminder messages ended up in the Administrative
> requests for the list as being posted to the list from non-members.
> 
> Coincidentally, the subscriber's email addresses are
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Their email address usernames are the
> same as the name of the problematic list sending out the password
> reminders, but their complete email address is in another domain.
> 
> I am running Mailman 2.1.8 on RHEL4 with Exim.
> 
> Any ideas? I suppose I could post headers if this is not clear.

Exim is seeing just the local part of the addresses when it processes
aliases.

I don't know how RedHat is packaging Mailman--assuming that's how you
installed Mailman.

I see that our installation would have the same problem, now that I look at
our Exim configuration on the Mailman machine:

mailman_router:
  driver = accept
  require_files = MAILMAN_HOME/lists/$local_part/config.pck
  local_part_suffix_optional
  local_part_suffix = -bounces : -bounces+* : \
  -confirm+* : -join : -leave : \
  -owner : -request : -admin
  transport = mailman_transport

In other words, if the local part of an address matches a list name, exim
will treat the address as something to send to the list.

Now that you've pointed out the problem, it would appear that the school
solution for Exim configuration for lists is flawed.  (And has worked at
many sites for many years.)

I think there should probably be something like
  domains = +mailman_domains
as a condition in the router.

Where that list would be defined in the early part of the configuration as
something like
  domainlist mailman_domains = mailman.example.com : lists.example.com
as needed (the above would be right for us were we example.com).  An Exim
macro could also be used, as was done with MAILMAN_HOME in the above.

The above is top-of-the-head, and untested.

I wonder whether the published solution ought to be changed.  Note that if
one is doing virtual domains--in the limited way Mailman does it now, it
would be better to fill the mailman_domains list by reading a file, which
could be managed by whatever software establishes lists in domains.

When Mailman begins allowing "real" virtual hosting, the Exim solution will
need to be changed, perhaps using a series of routers imported from a file
managed by the management software (Exim does handle import statements in
its configuration file--a feature which the stock Debian configuration for
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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders, subscribers with [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Dewhirst, Rob]

> Exim is seeing just the local part of the addresses when it 
> processes aliases.

> I don't know how RedHat is packaging Mailman--assuming that's 
> how you installed Mailman.

I installed exim from rpm and built mailman from source.

> I think there should probably be something like
>   domains = +mailman_domains
> as a condition in the router.

I think that's the culprit -- 

These two docs differ on how to setup the Exim router





And they differ by the domains = definition you quote above.  The Exim
docs have it, the mailman docs don't.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders, subscribers with [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Mark Sapiro]

Dewhirst, Rob wrote:
>
>These two docs differ on how to setup the Exim router
>
>
>
>
>
>And they differ by the domains = definition you quote above.  The Exim
>docs have it, the mailman docs don't.

They also differ in the local_part_suffix list. Here too, the Exim docs
have the correct list; the one in the Mailman manual is incomplete.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders sent with wrong sender

[Raquel Rice]

On Wed, 01 May 2002 11:17:05 +0200
Hans-Peter Zahno Hans-Peter Zahno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> We run MM 2.0.10 (upgraded from 2.0.8 about 2 weeks ago) on
> Solaris 8 and Python 1.52 and
> serving about 260 lists.
> By this mornings password reminders we detected that (at least?)
> one lists password reminders
> were sent with wrong 'Sender:', 'Errors-To:', 'X-BeenThere:'
> headers. So the admin of
> list B got delivery failure reports of password reminders of list
> A!

I just did my first installation of Mailman, version 2.0.10.  This
morning I got bounce messages sent to the wrong listadmins ... just
like you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender domain (and thus bouncing)

[Jon Carnes]

If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
inside the configuration database.

If you "more withlist" you'll see some nice examples of how to use it in
the comments.

Good Luck - Jon Carnes
On Sat, 2004-02-07 at 09:15, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a small problem: I have migrated mailman (and mailserver, etc) a
> month ago from one box to another.
> 
> No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
> one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
> local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
> reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.
> 
> I have tried to find out which file I have to adjust, but I can't find
> out what is causing the problen. Any idea where to look?
> 
> Thanks,
> 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender domain (and thus bouncing)

[Rejo Zenger]

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++ 07/02/04 20:16 -0500 - Jon Carnes:
>If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
>need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
>inside the configuration database.

I see, the problem is however that I don't have a clue on how to issue
those Python commands. I have no idea what I have to look for and how to
get there. Prefereably I would like to see a complete list of variables
that I could grep. 

Any idea where to start - a pointer to an introduction in working with
this withlist, apart from the --help contents, is also welcome.


[problem:]
>> No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
>> one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
>> local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
>> reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] password reminders with an invalid sender domain (and thus bouncing)

[Jon Carnes]

On Sun, 2004-02-08 at 06:03, Rejo Zenger wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> ++ 07/02/04 20:16 -0500 - Jon Carnes:
> >If your running 2.1.x (and from the problem I think you are) then you
> >need to use the ~mailman/bin/withlist command to reset the host names
> >inside the configuration database.
> 
> I see, the problem is however that I don't have a clue on how to issue
> those Python commands. I have no idea what I have to look for and how to
> get there. Prefereably I would like to see a complete list of variables
> that I could grep. 
> 
> Any idea where to start - a pointer to an introduction in working with
> this withlist, apart from the --help contents, is also welcome.
> 
> 
> [problem:]
> >> No problems, except for one list - all other list have no problems. This
> >> one list has it's password reminders send out with the wrong domain (a
> >> local domain, the one from the former box). As a result, most of these
> >> reminders get bounced because of sender verify tests.
> 

Make sure the hosts are defined properly (as virtual host sets: URL and
Mailhost), then run withlist using the fix_url.py module on your list.
You might want to backup the list config file first.

Here is a message lifted from the archives... perhaps it will help:

On Tuesday, September 23, 2003, at 03:33  am, Wayne Spivak wrote: 
> I runnng mailman on a box with currently four domains.
> 
> I've added four groups of these lines:
> 
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS = {'list.foo.com': 'list.foo.com'} <-- notice bracket
> add_virtualhost ('list.foo.com', 'list.foo.com') <-- notice paren
> 
> I've tried to run withlist -r fix_url -l foo-list and then mailmanctl
> restart and I still get this error.
> 
> On some of the lists I get the in-addr-arpa name for the url.  Not
> even
> the box url.  The mailman list is set to the box url.
> 
> I hope I've explained this, its been a long tedious day.
> 
> Any ideas?


If you are supporting four virtual domains then  you probably want to 
say the following in your mm_cfg.py, before restarting mailmanctl and 
using fix_url

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'box.mailhostname.tld'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'box.webhostname.tld'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-1.tld', 'your.mailhostname-1.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-2.tld', 'your.mailhostname-2.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-3.tld', 'your.mailhostname-3.tld')
add_virtualhost('your.webhostname-4.tld', 'your.mailhostname-4.tld')

You could also check out the FAQ page:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp

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