Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
But, the python commands you want me to try DO work (and mailman still yields the same errors from my previous e-mail): # python -V Python 2.2.2 # python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Jan 9 2003, 16:24:27) [GCC 2.95.2 19991024 (release)] on sunos5 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import time time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' So, what should I try next? (BTW, thanks for your help! :) Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The second issue you had (no module name time) looks like your Python installation is broken. You should be able to do something like the following at the command line: % python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import time time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Steve, You're first problem looks like a classic permission denied problem. I'd suggest running bin/check_perms to see if that clears up your problems. The second issue you had (no module name time) looks like your Python installation is broken. You should be able to do something like the following at the command line: % python Python 2.2.2 (#1, Oct 14 2002, 19:51:36) [GCC 2.96 2731 (Red Hat Linux 7.3 2.96-112)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. import time time.__file__ '/usr/local/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so' If not, go back to your Python source dir, and run make test. Check your compilation output carefully. Mailman 2.1 should work with Python 2.1.3 or later. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
SR == Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: SR OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with SR -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. SR When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's SR password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list SR admin. (I still receive the authentication error). SR And if I go back into the password change page for the list as SR the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and SR have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when SR I click submit. SR However, if I run change_pw from the command line, changing SR the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I SR CAN log in! :) SR So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're SR narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Do you have any cookie blockers or other proxies between your browser and the web server? That's about the only thing I can think of. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
I recently installed mailman 2.1 (upgrading over our mailman 2.13) to correct a
problem with list admin passwords.
At the time of the upgrade, I was running python 2.1
Today I finally ran genaliases to modify the old mm list aliases for the new
mailman.
With the aliases in place, I sent e-mail to one of my lists... newlist.
Instead of the message going through, I get back the following from the
mailer-daemon:
- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
|/users/rtfm/mailman/mail/mailman post newtest
(reason: 1)
(expanded from: newtest@cs)
- Transcript of session follows -
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post, line 69, in ?
main()
File /users/rtfm/mailman/scripts/post, line 64, in main
tolist=1, _plaintext=1)
File /users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py, line 119, in enqueue
msgfp = open(msgfile, 'w')
IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied:
'/users/rtfm/mailman/qfiles/in/1042138477.3629709+2b891898799d3290ae81d057bdd6e8
2a56ffe112.msg'
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
=
What is causing the above?
OK, so I figure, since I was running python 2.1, maybe mailman 2.1 would rather
me run python 2.2.2.
I then installed python 2.2.2. Directly afterwards, I rebuilt (make clean,
configure, make, make install) mailman 2.1 again, and then, ran check_perms (and
corrected anything that needed correcting so that check_perms now comes back
clean.
Now, when I start to run the scripts/mailman script to startup mailmanctl, I
immediately get lots of messages that look like this:
# ./mailman start
cs:/users/rtfm/mailman/scripts:{153} Traceback (most recent call last):
File /users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 77, in ?
from Mailman.i18n import _
File /users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 18, in ?
import time
ImportError: No module named time
Traceback (most recent call last):
File /users/rtfm/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 77, in ?
from Mailman.i18n import _
File /users/rtfm/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py, line 18, in ?
import time
ImportError: No module named time
Traceback (most recent call last):
I get the above messages continuously. What's happening here?
Mind you, when I had python 2.1 installed, I had no problem running mailmanctl
(except that mail sent to lists would yield the message near the top of this
e-mail. With python2.2.2 installed, I can't even get mailmanctl to run
properly... or rather, whatever it's running is giving me the errors directly
above.
And remember, *after* I installed python 2.2.2, I *rebuilt* mailman.
So, what should I do here?
If python's an issue, I'll go back to python 2.1 and hope someone here can help
me fix the problem with the mailer-daemon message. At least python 2.1, I could
run the mailman startup script.
(Note, the machine mailman is built on is Solaris 2.8.
Thanks in advance!
Steve Rifkin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1. It uses sha1 hashing, which will always be available. OK, I upgraded to MM2.1. After having to run check_perms with -f to fix permissions, I finally got the web pages up. When I go in as site admin and change the list admin's password for a list, I *still* cannot log in as the list admin. (I still receive the authentication error). And if I go back into the password change page for the list as the site admin, and if I put in a new list admin password and have a *different* verified password, I receive no errors when I click submit. However, if I run change_pw from the command line, changing the password for the list admin for the specific list, them, I CAN log in! :) So, it's the web interface that's screwing up. We're narrowing this one down now... I hope! Any suggestions? Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
What are you using for Password authentication on your system? Are you using PAMs? What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look like (are you using NIS)? NIS is used, but the mailman user account info is local to the web server. Mailman's home directory, though, is shared between the web server and the mail server. Some nsswitch.conf entries: passwd: compat group: files nis hosts: dns nis [NOTFOUND=return] files netgroup: nis automount: files nis aliases:files nis But again, I never had the list-admin authentication problem until I upgraded the Apache server. Whether the mailman list config databases before the apache upgrade had the nobody user set, I do not know. What could have changed from doing the apache upgrade? The user that CGI scripts get run by? Our cgi-scripts are working ok. Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Just did another reinstall of 2.0.13. Again, installed with no problems. Check_perm ran fine... again And, the list ownerships for the config.db file for my test list is: -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3169 Jan 03 11:57 config.db (owned and group-owned by mailman) Then, I log into the list as the site admin, and change the lists's admin's password. When I do, the config.db file now has these attributes: -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3169 Jan 03 14:35 config.db Yes, nobody has replaced mailman as owner again And the list admin gets an authentication error trying to log in to its list. If, as site admin, I once again change the list admin's pwd (this time to a longer password, so that hopefully, config.db would change size) and log out, the config.db file remains the same size with the updated timestamp. -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3169 Jan 03 14:36 config.db Still owned by nobody! (yet, still group-owned by mailman) And still not allowing list admin's to log in... onl log in... only site admin and users can log in. (and this happens to all of our lists). Running check_perms again (now that nobody is the owner and mailman is the group owner of the config.db files), I still receive No problems found Since the only signs of error are 1) the Authentication failed error for the list admins, and 2) config.db doesn't looks as if it is updated [comparing the size of the of current and previous config.db files]... ...is there any way to do a trace of what is happening? Can python be used for this? It's almost as if the list admin password being changed by the site admin never really updates the config.db file. Oh, I even tried the setup using the mailman group consisting of mailman and nobody. Steve Rifkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
The ownership issue is a red-herring. As long as it's group owned by
mailman and it's g+rw you should be fine.
I'm guessing somewhere along the way Python got upgraded and the
status of the crypt libraries changed (either they were there before
and not now, or vice versa). Try setting USE_CRYPT=0 in your
mm_cfg.py file.
A better solution would be to upgrade to MM2.1. It uses sha1 hashing,
which will always be available.
BTW, a debugging tool I use quite often (or the Python literate here),
is to sprinkle the code with lines like:
syslog('debug', 'some value: %s', somevalue)
which puts the output in errors/debug. You may need to add
from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
at the top of the file, if it isn't already there.
-Barry
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
This message was sent to: archive@jab.org
Unsubscribe or change your options at
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Going an extra step, I compiled python 2.2.2 and put it in place. I then rebuilt mailman (based on the new python). Again, mailman works EXCEPT FOR list admin passwords. I'm running out of options. I'm now at python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.0.13, and my list admins cannot log in, but the site admin and users can. When the site admin changes the list admin password for a list, should there be a confirmation of the change AFTER submit is clicked? WHOA! Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman and group mailman. At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like: -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html That's ok. HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db: -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html And the filesize for config.db does not change. I suspect that the config.db file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin. The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody! Why? Maybe the above is a clue to the problem! Any thoughts? Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Oh, I should also add that, as user mailman, when I run: bin/check_perms I get: No problems found Steve -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Passwords of members UPDATE
Catching up on a few of your messages... I'm betting that your Web-server runs as user nobody, so changes via the web to the list config may end-up as being owned by nobody. Shouldn't you have the sticky bit set for the group on all those directories and files (if the check came back okay then it must be correct - sorry). What are you using for Password authentication on your system? Are you using PAMs? What does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look like (are you using NIS)? What happens when you run the site password program? On Fri, 2002-12-27 at 11:57, Steve Rifkin wrote: Going an extra step, I compiled python 2.2.2 and put it in place. I then rebuilt mailman (based on the new python). Again, mailman works EXCEPT FOR list admin passwords. I'm running out of options. I'm now at python 2.2.2 and mailman 2.0.13, and my list admins cannot log in, but the site admin and users can. When the site admin changes the list admin password for a list, should there be a confirmation of the change AFTER submit is clicked? WHOA! Here is something weird... all my mailman files are owned by user mailman and group mailman. At the list level, for a test list (mmtest), the dir looks like: -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:47 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html That's ok. HOWEVER, whenever I log into a list or try to make changes to a list as the site admin, the ownership changes for config.db: -rw-rw 1 nobody mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:50 config.db -rw-rw 1 mailman mailman 3082 Dec 27 11:48 config.db.last -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 869 Dec 26 16:57 request.db -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 189 Jan 30 2002 handle_opts.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1026 Jan 30 2002 headfoot.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 3136 Jan 30 2002 listinfo.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 4106 Jan 30 2002 options.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1169 Jan 30 2002 roster.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 198 Jan 30 2002 subscribe.html -rw-rw-r-- 1 mailman mailman 1706 Jan 30 2002 admindbpreamble.html And the filesize for config.db does not change. I suspect that the config.db file is not changing at all when I attempt changes logged in as the site admin. The only change to the file is config.db's ownership keeps changing to nobody! Why? Maybe the above is a clue to the problem! Any thoughts? Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
