Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
Ken Cheney wrote: I send email to the list using my corprate Outlook client to [EMAIL PROTECTED] what setting do i have in error that logs [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont have a mail client on the list server at all. Strickly command line shell only. Some MTA between your corprate Outlook client and Mailman is rewriting the headers in your message. This also explains why you can't unsubscribe via mail to listname-leave. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows: Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Post by non-member to a members-only list but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list. Is this a problem maybe in the aliases file? alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney wrote: Thank you. Here are my settings for Privacy Options: Member Filters: By Default, should new list member postings be moderated? = Yes Action Taken? = Hold NonMember Filters: Action to take for postings from nonmembers for which no explicit action is defined? = Hold Should messages from non-memebers, which are are discarded be fwded to moderator? = Yes As a member of the list with the mod box checked I email the list. The list not only doesnt make it to the recipients but it doesnt show up in the Pending moderator requests section. Do you have access to the system logs on the machine mailman is running on? Can you check mailman's vette log (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please) to see what's happening to the messages you post? Here are also things that don't work which could lead to the problem, they dont sound like they would but I will post them anyway. emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not remove members from the list. if i email from the list owner the emails go to all the list members except the members of the list that have email addresses on my work domain. Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - does not get message Is the machine handling mail for mydomain.com the same machine as that on which mailman runs? Can you check your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim, or qmail) logs to see what's happening to the request you send to listname-leave? -- - Patrick Bogen - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/30/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows: Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Post by non-member to a members-only list The address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not a member of the list. That is the address you sent the message from. However, this indicates the message was held, not rejected or discarded. Are you sure you're looking at the correct place when you say it doesn't show up as a moderation task? but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list. Is this a problem maybe in the aliases file? alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases I don't think you need both of these. I'm not completely sure, however. This might have something to do with why listname-leave isn't working. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
I send email to the list using my corprate Outlook client to [EMAIL PROTECTED] what setting do i have in error that logs [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead [EMAIL PROTECTED] I dont have a mail client on the list server at all. Strickly command line shell only. The place I am looking is in the main page after login I click on the link on the right that says Tend to pending moderator requests Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/30/06, Ken Cheney wrote: I do have access to the box that mailman is on. The vette log shows: Nov 29 08:05:02 2006 (11992) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, message-id=[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Post by non-member to a members-only list The address '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' is not a member of the list. That is the address you sent the message from. However, this indicates the message was held, not rejected or discarded. Are you sure you're looking at the correct place when you say it doesn't show up as a moderation task? but the email address I sent to this list from is a member of the list. Is this a problem maybe in the aliases file? alias_database = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases alias_maps = hash:/etc/mailman/aliases I don't think you need both of these. I'm not completely sure, however. This might have something to do with why listname-leave isn't working. -- - Patrick Bogen - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First let me say I am very new to Mailman, very new to Linux, and very new to mailing lists. (it took me 2 days to get the listserv to even send out :( ) I have the listserv up and sending to my lists; however, I would like to make the lists only emailable from the list owner. I saw one post that referred to a FAQ but it was not very clear to me on how to do it. So, how do I limit the person that can send to the mailing list to only the list owner/administrator/moderator? I have set all list members to be moderated, yet they dont show up on the tend to pending moderator tasks link. What are 'they'? The users don't show up. If a moderated user sends a message, and member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold,' then the message will show up in the admin interface. The general way to do what you want is: set all members to moderated. Set 'default_member_moderation' for the list to 'Yes'. Set 'member_moderation_action' to 'Hold' if you want to see attempts by the members to post, and have the opportunity to approve them. Set it to 'reject,' otherwise, which will bounce the message and tell the user why. To allow certain users (based on email address) to automatically post, add their email addresses to accept_these_nonmembers. This is probably the easiest, although least secure, way to do this. The better (though potentially more complex and difficult) way to do this is to include the list password on any emails sent, which will automatically bypass the sender filters. There are two ways to do this: Either as a header in the email (this can be difficult, depending on which email client you're using), or as the first line in the email (this can be very tricky if you're sending HTML email. For normal text, it should be fairly foolproof). Either way, the header/line should look like: Approved: list password -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The they i was referring to are the messages that moderated members of the list sent to the list. they dont show up in the Tend to pending moderator requests list link off of the admin page as I would expect them to. Are you sure the messages were held, and not discarded or rejected? Check the 'member_moderation_action' setting I mentioned. Also, please try to keep your replies on-list, so that others can chime in when I'm wrong about things, (which is fairly often! :) -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
This is where you want to adjust the setting I mentioned. If it's already set to Hold (and not Discard or Reject), then there is probably something else wrong, which is why you need to keep the conversation on-list. As willing as I am to help, I don't have perfect knowledge of Mailman. - Patrick Bogen On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I found it... Under privacy|sender filters. Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will send the solution to the list after this email because I dont want the list subscribers to see how stupid I am at this point! Right now I cant find where to set member_mod now... I thought it was on one of the web screens. Once the list is created do I need to now change it via the command line? or is everything available somewhere in the mailman web ui? I am pretty sure somewhere along the line i set all the users to be in the hold space for nonmoderators or list owners. I am wondering if I have some other problem since i can't unsubscribe by emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Ken Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney wrote: First let me say I am very new to Mailman, very new to Linux, and very new to mailing lists. (it took me 2 days to get the listserv to even send out :( ) I have the listserv up and sending to my lists; however, I would like to make the lists only emailable from the list owner. I saw one post that referred to a FAQ but it was not very clear to me on how to do it. So, how do I limit the person that can send to the mailing list to only the list owner/administrator/moderator? I have set all list members to be moderated, yet they dont show up on the tend to pending moderator tasks link. What are 'they'? The users don't show up. If a moderated user sends a message, and member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold,' then the message will show up in the admin interface. The general way to do what you want is: set all members to moderated. Set 'default_member_moderation' for the list to 'Yes'. Set 'member_moderation_action' to 'Hold' if you want to see attempts by the members to post, and have the opportunity to approve them. Set it to 'reject,' otherwise, which will bounce the message and tell the user why. To allow certain users (based on email address) to automatically post, add their email addresses to accept_these_nonmembers. This is probably the easiest, although least secure, way to do this. The better (though potentially more complex and difficult) way to do this is to include the list password on any emails sent, which will automatically bypass the sender filters. There are two ways to do this: Either as a header in the email (this can be difficult, depending on which email client you're using), or as the first line in the email (this can be very tricky if you're sending HTML email. For normal text, it should be fairly foolproof). Either way, the header/line should look like: Approved: -- - Patrick Bogen Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
Thank you. Here are my settings for Privacy Options: Member Filters: By Default, should new list member postings be moderated? = Yes Action Taken? = Hold NonMember Filters: Action to take for postings from nonmembers for which no explicit action is defined? = Hold Should messages from non-memebers, which are are discarded be fwded to moderator? = Yes As a member of the list with the mod box checked I email the list. The list not only doesnt make it to the recipients but it doesnt show up in the Pending moderator requests section. Here are also things that don't work which could lead to the problem, they dont sound like they would but I will post them anyway. emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not remove members from the list. if i email from the list owner the emails go to all the list members except the members of the list that have email addresses on my work domain. Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - does not get message Thanks!!! Patrick Bogen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is where you want to adjust the setting I mentioned. If it's already set to Hold (and not Discard or Reject), then there is probably something else wrong, which is why you need to keep the conversation on-list. As willing as I am to help, I don't have perfect knowledge of Mailman. - Patrick Bogen On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney wrote: I think I found it... Under privacy|sender filters. Ken Cheney wrote: I will send the solution to the list after this email because I dont want the list subscribers to see how stupid I am at this point! Right now I cant find where to set member_mod now... I thought it was on one of the web screens. Once the list is created do I need to now change it via the command line? or is everything available somewhere in the mailman web ui? I am pretty sure somewhere along the line i set all the users to be in the hold space for nonmoderators or list owners. I am wondering if I have some other problem since i can't unsubscribe by emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Ken Patrick Bogen wrote: On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney wrote: First let me say I am very new to Mailman, very new to Linux, and very new to mailing lists. (it took me 2 days to get the listserv to even send out :( ) I have the listserv up and sending to my lists; however, I would like to make the lists only emailable from the list owner. I saw one post that referred to a FAQ but it was not very clear to me on how to do it. So, how do I limit the person that can send to the mailing list to only the list owner/administrator/moderator? I have set all list members to be moderated, yet they dont show up on the tend to pending moderator tasks link. What are 'they'? The users don't show up. If a moderated user sends a message, and member_moderation_action is set to 'Hold,' then the message will show up in the admin interface. The general way to do what you want is: set all members to moderated. Set 'default_member_moderation' for the list to 'Yes'. Set 'member_moderation_action' to 'Hold' if you want to see attempts by the members to post, and have the opportunity to approve them. Set it to 'reject,' otherwise, which will bounce the message and tell the user why. To allow certain users (based on email address) to automatically post, add their email addresses to accept_these_nonmembers. This is probably the easiest, although least secure, way to do this. The better (though potentially more complex and difficult) way to do this is to include the list password on any emails sent, which will automatically bypass the sender filters. There are two ways to do this: Either as a header in the email (this can be difficult, depending on which email client you're using), or as the first line in the email (this can be very tricky if you're sending HTML email. For normal text, it should be fairly foolproof). Either way, the header/line should look like: Approved: -- - Patrick Bogen Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. -- - Patrick Bogen - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Private lists and trouble shooting unsubscribes
On 11/29/06, Ken Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you. Here are my settings for Privacy Options: Member Filters: By Default, should new list member postings be moderated? = Yes Action Taken? = Hold NonMember Filters: Action to take for postings from nonmembers for which no explicit action is defined? = Hold Should messages from non-memebers, which are are discarded be fwded to moderator? = Yes As a member of the list with the mod box checked I email the list. The list not only doesnt make it to the recipients but it doesnt show up in the Pending moderator requests section. Do you have access to the system logs on the machine mailman is running on? Can you check mailman's vette log (someone correct me if I'm wrong, please) to see what's happening to the messages you post? Here are also things that don't work which could lead to the problem, they dont sound like they would but I will post them anyway. emailing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] does not remove members from the list. if i email from the list owner the emails go to all the list members except the members of the list that have email addresses on my work domain. Example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - get message [EMAIL PROTECTED] - does not get message Is the machine handling mail for mydomain.com the same machine as that on which mailman runs? Can you check your MTA (e.g., sendmail, postfix, exim, or qmail) logs to see what's happening to the request you send to listname-leave? -- - Patrick Bogen -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
