Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:07 AM -0500 2004/01/24, Steve Burling wrote:

 There's a slightly easier (and more Mac-like :-) way to do this.  Follow
 step 1 to find the original application icon.  Then:
	Okay, I've been using Unix for about twenty years, and a Mac 
fanatic for the same length of time.  I've also been using MacOS X 
since 10.1.

	And you've taught me something new.  Cool.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Steve Burling]

--On Saturday, January 24, 2004 12:56 AM +0100 Brad Knowles 
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I think the problem is that the "Esoteric Settings" plug-in is not
installed by default.  It is included with the package, however.
	For MacOS X users with Eudora 6, the following instructions should work:

1.  If you have the Eudora icon in your dock, control-click
on the icon and select "Show in Finder".
Otherwise, find the original application icon where
Eudora was installed.
2.  Control-click on the Eudora icon and select
"Show Package Contents".
3.  In the folder that was opened, double-click on the
"Contents" sub-folder to open it.
4.  In the "PlugIns Disabled" sub-folder, you should find
a plug-in called "Esoteric Settings 6.0".  You need to
move this plug-in to the "PlugIns" folder.
To which I reply:

There's a slightly easier (and more Mac-like :-) way to do this.  Follow 
step 1 to find the original application icon.  Then:

   2. Control-click on the Eudora icon and select "Get Info".

   3. In the "Eudora Info" window that opens, "turn down" the
  disclosure triangle next to "Plug-ins:"
   4. Check the box next to "Esoteric Settings 6.0".

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Brad Knowles]

At 5:15 PM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote:

 Regardless of the question of the default status, I'm sure many of
 us would like to be able to tell our users how to hide them. Can
 you enlighten us, please? :-) This is something else that maybe
 should go into the FAQ, since it's been a fairly common complaint
 from my users and as a non-Eudora user I can't help them.
	I think the problem is that the "Esoteric Settings" plug-in is 
not installed by default.  It is included with the package, however.

	For MacOS X users with Eudora 6, the following instructions should work:

1.  If you have the Eudora icon in your dock, control-click
on the icon and select "Show in Finder".
Otherwise, find the original application icon where
Eudora was installed.
2.  Control-click on the Eudora icon and select
"Show Package Contents".
3.  In the folder that was opened, double-click on the
"Contents" sub-folder to open it.
4.  In the "PlugIns Disabled" sub-folder, you should find
a plug-in called "Esoteric Settings 6.0".  You need to
move this plug-in to the "PlugIns" folder.
5.  Once the Esoteric Settings plug-in is in the correct
folder, close the various finder windows and sub-folders,
and restart Eudora.
6.  Once restarted, select "Settings..." from the "Special"
menu.
7.  Scroll down towards the bottom of the list of different
settings sub-categories.  You will see the familiar ones,
but down below you should see a lot of new ones that you
had never encountered before.  They will have names like
"Toolbar on Steriods", "Really Miscellaneous", and
"Boring Headers".
8.  Select the "Boring Headers" icon, and add "List-" to the
list of headers that will be omitted from the standard
display.
		9.  Click on "OK", and the "Settings..." pane should go away.

10.  Open a message that previously displayed the headers
that you do not want to see, and see if the issue has
been resolved.
Note that if you want to make appropriate use of the
"List-" headers after this change, you will have to click
on the "BLAHBLAHBLAH" icon in order to see all the
headers from the message.
	I still think this sort of thing is a bad idea for most users. 
If they didn't know about the "Esoteric Settings" plug-in and how to 
make advanced use like this of their MUA, I do not believe that they 
are likely to be sufficiently knowledgeable to properly handle the 
situation if there are problems.

	The "Esoteric Settings" stuff gives you a lot of powerful ammo 
that you can use to blow off your entire leg, much less shoot off 
your foot.  Users should not be encouraged to play with this sort of 
stuff unless they are qualified to do so, and if they were qualified 
to do so then you shouldn't need to be the one to give them this kind 
of information.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Dan Phillips]

On Jan 23, 2004, at 2:44 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 11:52 AM -0800 2004/01/23, Wesley T. Perdue wrote:

 I'm using eudora 6.0.1.1 on Win 2000, and it does not suppress the
 List-* headers by default.
I have gone ahead and configured Eudora to hide these headers under 
normal circumstances


I haven't used Eudora regularly since v.4.0. I downloaded v.6.0 this 
morning to see if it behaved the way I remembered, and it did. I also 
looked for an option to hide those headers and wasn't able to find one. 
A search of Eudora's own help files was particularly useless. 
Regardless of the question of the default status, I'm sure many of us 
would like to be able to tell our users how to hide them. Can you 
enlighten us, please? :-) This is something else that maybe should go 
into the FAQ, since it's been a fairly common complaint from my users 
and as a non-Eudora user I can't help them.

dan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:52 AM -0800 2004/01/23, Wesley T. Perdue wrote:

 I'm using eudora 6.0.1.1 on Win 2000, and it does not suppress the
 List-* headers by default.
	Is that the only problem?!?

	Eudora 6.0 for MacOS X doesn't suppress them by default, either. 
However, if they are displayed and you click on them, the appropriate 
action will be taken.

	I have gone ahead and configured Eudora to hide these headers 
under normal circumstances, but to be honest I don't think this 
should be done by default.  Those should be displayed so that a 
normal user can do the right thing with them.  If they find that 
confusing or ugly and they can confirm that they already know what 
the right thing is, then they should be free to do what I have done 
-- but that shouldn't be done by default.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Brad Knowles]

At 11:27 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote:

 I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits
 the incorrect behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no
 way of checking other versions (I don't do Windows).
	I'm using Eudora 6.0 on MacOS X, and I don't see the problem.

	Can you give me more details of what I'm supposed to be seeing?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Brendan Pratt]

At 12:56 AM 24/01/04, Dan Phillips wrote:

The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays the 
RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp

I'm using Eudora here, and I don't have a problem.

Perhaps she's using an older version, as I'm using version 6.

Might be an idea if this person Charlie is talking about, updates to a more 
recent version ?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Wesley T. Perdue]

At 09:27 AM 1/23/2004, Dan Phillips wrote:
>On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
>>At 8:56 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays
>>> the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at
>>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp
>>
>>What version of Eudora has this problem?  I'm using Eudora 6, and while I 
>> have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, when I click on the 
>> button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers are properly displayed, correctly 
>> highlighted, and will "Do The Right Thing" when you click on the highlighted 
>> portion.
>
>I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits the incorrect 
>behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no way of checking other 
>versions (I don't do Windows).
>
>Dan

I'm using eudora 6.0.1.1 on Win 2000, and it does not suppress the List-* headers by 
default.

- Wes 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Dan Phillips]

On Jan 23, 2004, at 10:17 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:
At 8:56 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote:

 The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays
 the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp
	What version of Eudora has this problem?  I'm using Eudora 6, and 
while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, 
when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers 
are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right 
Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion.

I just downloaded and used Eudora 6.0.2 for OS X and it still exhibits 
the incorrect behavior. This may be a Mac only problem, but I have no 
way of checking other versions (I don't do Windows).

Dan


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Brad Knowles]

At 8:56 AM -0600 2004/01/23, Dan Phillips wrote:

 The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays
 the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp
	What version of Eudora has this problem?  I'm using Eudora 6, and 
while I have it configured to hide all "List-*" headers by default, 
when I click on the button to show all headers, the "List-*" headers 
are properly displayed, correctly highlighted, and will "Do The Right 
Thing" when you click on the highlighted portion.

	It would be helpful if we could clarify the FAQ a bit as to the 
specific versions that have this problem, so that people will 
understand that upgrading the version will solve the problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Charlie Hazlett]

She certainly is...thanks a million..




The following message was sent by Dan Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 
Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:56:17 -0600.

> On Jan 23, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Charlie Hazlett wrote:
> > I have a small mailing list, about 45 subscribers and one, only one, 

> > has
> > asked why the headers on her mail from the list has so many lines.  
> > She send
> > me the following example:
> >
> 
> The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays 
> the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp
> 
> Dan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Too Many Headers

[Dan Phillips]

On Jan 23, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Charlie Hazlett wrote:
I have a small mailing list, about 45 subscribers and one, only one, 
has
asked why the headers on her mail from the list has so many lines.  
She send
me the following example:

The problem is she's probably using Eudora, which improperly displays 
the RFC 2369 headers. See the explanation at 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.001.htp

Dan

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