Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-21 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner 

Scott Spence wrote:

> If I change it i think I have to reboot (or re-mount) for it to take
> effect - right?

Just remount should do.  Unless it's the root drive (/)


> i made it as myself- not root (I see what you are getting at) - I made
> sure I (as a normal user) had write access to the directory.

Actually, I was trying to find out whether you did it as the user mailman runs 
under, or
someone else.  If it's been done as a user other than what mailman runs as, you're 
just asking
for trouble.

AMK4

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-21 Thread Scott Spence 

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > This INSTALL file *MUST* be wrong - surely??
>
> They are misleading...

i.e. Misname a feature of the ./configure utility? - very misleading! ;-)

>
>
> > Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
> >
> > I go though changing these permissions and get the same problem (ie
> > basically SGID is not working..).I think it must have 'defaults' set not JUST 
>'rw'
>
> FYI, _all_ of my servers running mailman have 'defaults' set in
> fstab.  As I said before, your fstab (theoretically) has nothing to do
> with it.  The 'defaults' setting in fstab sets the following options:
> rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async
>
yes, that is why I think defaults is likely to be a better option than rw

If I change it i think I have to reboot (or re-mount) for it to take
effect - right?

> One thing I forgot to ask you before...  When you configured, made
> and ran make install, what user were you logged in as?

i made it as myself- not root (I see what you are getting at) - I made
sure I (as a normal user) had write access to the directory.

Somthing interesting I did was copy the apache binary and create a
differnet conf file on the non rw mounted partition - no change - perhaps
it is because python is running from there also..

:-(

Scott
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-21 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner 

Scott Spence wrote:

> This INSTALL file *MUST* be wrong - surely??

They are misleading...


> Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'
>
> I go though changing these permissions and get the same problem (ie
> basically SGID is not working..).I think it must have 'defaults' set not JUST 
>'rw'

FYI, _all_ of my servers running mailman have 'defaults' set in fstab.  As I said 
before, your fstab (theoretically) has nothing to do with it.  The 'defaults' setting 
in fstab sets the following options: rw, suid, dev, exec, auto, nouser, and async

One thing I forgot to ask you before...  When you configured, made and ran make 
install, what user were you logged in as?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-21 Thread Scott Spence 

I got  --with-ownername and  --with-ownergroup from the INSTALL file:

--8<---

 - Add a new user called `mailman'.  Typically this is added to
  your /etc/passwd file.  If username `mailman' is already in use,
  choose something else unique and see the --with-ownername flag
  below.

- Add a new group called `mailman'.  Typically this is added to
  your /etc/group file.  The Mailman files will be installed under
  the `mailman' group, with the set-group-id bit.  This is so both
  the web based and mail based programs will have the proper write
  permissions.  If groupname `mailman' is already in use, choose
  something else unique and see the --with-ownergroup below.

-8<

However looking again there is nothing further "below" - perhaps this is a
mistake in the docs?

Perhaps these should be (respectively):

  --with-username   specify a user name other than "mailman"
  --with-groupname  specify a group name other than "mailman"

This INSTALL file *MUST* be wrong - surely??

Note taken about the HOST directive and double '--prefix'. I must have
been getting desperate!

I have made all necessary changes - taking into consideration the above
and other suggestions you made: I still get the following error in the web
error log:

Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/logs/error'

I go though changing these permissions and get the same problem (ie
basically SGID is not working..), I am at the conslusion that the issue is
with my fstab - I think it must have 'defaults' set not JUST 'rw' I am
however in Spain at the moment and the server is in the UK - I will wait
until I am closer *just in case*

If you have any further suggestions please let me know. I will create a
bug report about the INSTALL docs unless you have another idea..



> cross-compiler.  And you only need --prefix once.  And with the above
> configuration, your crontask _must_ be owned by mail:mail, nor
> mailman:mailman.

you mean "or" not "nor"  right?-^

Cheers - Thanks so much for you help with this! (I am bald now)

Scott


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-20 Thread Jon Carnes 

Your real problem was that you were *too* clever.  Normally if someone does 
that, nothing works because they are not clever enough to setup redirect 
first!

Congratulations...
===
On Wednesday 20 February 2002 09:24 pm, Ted M Harapat wrote:
> Solution Found!
>
> Okay, I found what was wrong after playing with nearly countless area of
> the system. I had set DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py to be:
>
> DEFAULT_URL = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/'
>
> instead of
>
> DEFAULT_URL = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/mailman/'
>
> As soon as I changed it to that, it was as if all the scripts and tools
> magically started working even though I had added a number of
> Redirect/ScriptAlias/Alias lines in apache's conf files before to make sure
> that they were accessing it.
>
> I had it set that original config to hopefully direct anyone to
> http://virtualhost.mydomain.net (instead of http://nonvirtual.mydomain.net)
> thinking that somewhere there'd be a URL that would send them to the
> opening page of my list-server's virtual website instead of to the mailman
> subdirectory. Apparently this is a required setting. I'm not even sure why
> they give me the option to change it considering the consequences but
> whatever the reason, I've switched it back and now its all working and I've
> been working on getting all my lists in place for good.
>
> Thank you to the 5 or 6 people who were kind enough to offer many
> suggestions and send me conf files to try out on my system. I really
> appreciate the support (even though it didn't pinpoint this setting that I
> missed). Hopefully my Solution post will lead someone else down the right
> track in the future.
>
> -ted
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-20 Thread Ted M Harapat 

Solution Found!

Okay, I found what was wrong after playing with nearly countless area of the 
system. I had set DEFAULT_URL in mm_cfg.py to be:

DEFAULT_URL = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/'

instead of

DEFAULT_URL = 'http://virtualhost.mydomain.net/mailman/'

As soon as I changed it to that, it was as if all the scripts and tools 
magically started working even though I had added a number of 
Redirect/ScriptAlias/Alias lines in apache's conf files before to make sure that 
they were accessing it. 

I had it set that original config to hopefully direct anyone to 
http://virtualhost.mydomain.net (instead of http://nonvirtual.mydomain.net) 
thinking that somewhere there'd be a URL that would send them to the opening 
page of my list-server's virtual website instead of to the mailman subdirectory. 
Apparently this is a required setting. I'm not even sure why they give me the 
option to change it considering the consequences but whatever the reason, 
I've switched it back and now its all working and I've been working on getting 
all my lists in place for good. 

Thank you to the 5 or 6 people who were kind enough to offer many suggestions 
and send me conf files to try out on my system. I really appreciate the support 
(even though it didn't pinpoint this setting that I missed). Hopefully my 
Solution post will lead someone else down the right track in the future.

-ted

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-20 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner 

Scott Spence wrote:

> ./configure --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=65534
> --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-ownername=mail --with-ownergroup=mail
> --prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-username=mail --host=noggon.com
> --with-groupname=mail

Um, where did you get --with-ownername and --with-ownergroup from?  Those two 
options don't exist
in the configure script.

  --with-username   specify a user name other than "mailman"
  --with-groupname  specify a group name other than "mailman"
  --with-mail-gid   specify GID mail programs run as
  --with-cgi-gidspecify GID CGI programs run as

Also, the --host option doesn't imply a domain name.  The --host option is the 
type of machine.
This is relevant is you're using a cross-compiler.  And you only need --prefix once.  
And with the
above configuration, your crontask _must_ be owned by mail:mail, nor mailman:mailman.



I run sendmail as mail:mail, and mailman as mailman:mailman and my webserver as 
httpd:daemon.  My
configure looks something like this:

./configure --with-mail-gid=mail --with-cgi-gid=daemon

I don't need to suply --with-username nor --with-groupname since they stay as 
mailman:mailman.
The crontask runs as mailman:mailman.  I also don't supply a --prefix since it's 
installed under the
user mailman's directory.  For you, this changes obviously, however it's not mandatory.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Scott Spence 

But, you see, I did use those cgi-gid and mail-gid flags:

./configure --with-mail-gid=8 --with-cgi-gid=65534
--prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-ownername=mail --with-ownergroup=mail
--prefix=/var/lib/mailman --with-username=mail --host=noggon.com
--with-groupname=mail

And, yes I just checked that 8 is the guid mail and 65534 is the guid
nogroup.

The mail:mail (not mailman:mailman) setup is due to following the
exim with mailman howto (debian sets up exim to run as mail:mail NOT
exim:exim).

Quote (from mailman README.EXIM aka mailman exim howto):

# home dir for mailman
MAILMAN_HOME=/home/mailman
# wrapper script for mailman
MAILMAN_WRAP=MAILMAN_HOME/mail/wrapper
# user and group for mailman
MAILMAN_UID=exim
MAILMAN_GID=exim

What do you think?

This is why I have acted so desperate to look at the fstab file..

~:-( - i.e. one hair left!

scott

 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner
wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > How can a webserver running as nobody:nogroup modify config.db once it
> > becomes owned by mail:mail? .. it could (I suppose) if nobody somehow also
> > run under group mail but this _can't_ be right.
>
> Remember when you first configured mailman and compiled it?  You were supposed 
>to tell it
> what your cgi-gid is, and your mail-gid.  This is where those two come into play.  
>They play
> together, mailman allows the webserver to touch its files, and when done, reverts it 
>back.
>
>
> > I did try your idea that all files should be owned by mail:mail and I just
> > got the bug page (why has Printing of traceback and other system
> > information has been explicitly inhibited?) and in the error file:
> > Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/test/config.db'
>
> Actually, the whole thing should be owned by mailman, not mail.  After all, it's 
>mailman
> that runs the cron tasks, and it's mailman that does all the processing of lists 
>administrivia.
>
> Don't mess with your fstab.  Unless you're prepared to yank a few more hairs out 
>of your
> head. :)  fstab is a system wide setting that doesn't affect (adversely enough) any 
>function of
> how a program runs or doesn't.  If fstab is setup to only allow read, or write on a 
>device,
> you'd be having way more problems that just mailman not running.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Scott Spence 

Sorry Ashley,

May be I am missing something here:
The sticky bit is on the group id so the group stays as mailman.

-My webserver (apache) runs as nobody:nogroup

-The config.db file has permissions -rw-rw (./ drwxrwsr-x)

-mailman cron runs and changes nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman

How can a webserver running as nobody:nogroup modify config.db once it
becomes owned by mail:mail? .. it could (I suppose) if nobody somehow also
run under group mail but this _can't_ be right.

Or are there subtle things about the cgi scripts (SUID) that I do not know
about when run with apache.

Thanks for your help - I am determined to understand this.

I did try your idea that all files should be owned by mail:mail and I just
got the bug page (why has Printing of traceback and other system
information has been explicitly inhibited?) and in the error file:
Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/test/config.db'

permissions on this file:

-rw-rw1 mail mail

***
Considering all the above I have found this in my /etc/fstab:

# 
/dev/hda5   /usrext2rw0   2

Should this be 'defaults'?--^^^

I am not an fstab expert but could THIS be my problem? the python
executables likely reside here (as does apache) but not the mailman
scripts - what do you think? perhaps "defaults" (that includes suid) may
be a better option..



cheers

scott



On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > But according to Ted's posting his config.db had the nobody:mailman
> > permission - not the mailman:mailman permission - so when the cron is run
> > the permissions will change from nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman
> > (rw-rw) right?
>
> My crontask runs as mailman.mailman, however the webserver runs as httpd.daemon.
> Whenever something comes through over the web, config.db becomes httpd.mailman, 
>however as
> soon as the next crontask runs, everything becomes mailman.mailman again.
>
> All the files ought to be owned by mailman.mailman, and the sticky bit should 
>help in
> retaining the permissions even after the web server has changed.
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner 

Scott Spence wrote:

> But according to Ted's posting his config.db had the nobody:mailman
> permission - not the mailman:mailman permission - so when the cron is run
> the permissions will change from nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman
> (rw-rw) right?

My crontask runs as mailman.mailman, however the webserver runs as httpd.daemon.
Whenever something comes through over the web, config.db becomes httpd.mailman, 
however as
soon as the next crontask runs, everything becomes mailman.mailman again.

All the files ought to be owned by mailman.mailman, and the sticky bit should help 
in
retaining the permissions even after the web server has changed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Scott Spence 

Hi Ashley,

But according to Ted's posting his config.db had the nobody:mailman
permission - not the mailman:mailman permission - so when the cron is run
the permissions will change from nobody:mailman to mailman:mailman
(rw-rw) right?

To avoid this should the cron be run as nobody:nogroup - and the mailman
group is retained resulting in nobody:mailman?

Thanks for your help with this - I have nearly no hair left!

Scott

 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote:

> Scott Spence wrote:
>
> > as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron job
> > runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> > cron to be run as mailman:mailman)
>
> If your MM cron runs as the user mailman, it will retain the mailman permissions.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ted M Harapat 

Hello Scott. 

So far, everything is keeping the "mailman:mailman" settings through all the 
cron jobs running (over the two days I've been working on this). The only other 
file permissions anywhere in the setup are the ones owned by "nobody:mailman". 
I'm pretty sure thats because apache created them and their group was set by 
either the sticky bit or the SGID cgi files. I don't think whats happening to 
you is similar to what's happening to me.

I'm sure you've heard this before, but make sure your cron is running the 
included cron jobs as "mailman".

-ted

Quoting Scott Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ted,
> 
> as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron
> job
> runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> cron to be run as mailman:mailman) This may help me trouble shoot a
> problem I have been happening where the permissions are changing to be
> mail:mail (in my case) and thereby not allowing the webserver to
> access
> them.
> 
> If the cookie problem is likely rember to restart your browser (or open
> a
> new one) these are sometimes loaded on program launch (MS IE anyway)
> and
> even if you have deleted the cookie this will be required.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Scott
> 
>  On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ted M Harapat wrote:
> 
> > Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other
> system's 2.0.6
> > install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The
> config.db
> > file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is
> running as)
> > and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the
> mailman home
> > dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.
> >
> > After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to
> make sure I
> > could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving
> > permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original
> mailman
> > directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save
> info. I
> > wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think
> that it
> > must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory
> and copied
> > my backup dir back over it.
> >
> > I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm
> not so sure
> > that doing so would help me.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db
> of
> > > your
> > > test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> > > ~mailman/logs/...
> > > Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> > >
> > > Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thats a great idea.
> > > >
> > > > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list
> server
> > > and
> > > virtual
> > > > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx
> to
> > > the
> > > > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> > > authenticated
> > > and went
> > > > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened.
> I
> > > told
> > > lynx
> > > > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> > > >
> > > > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many
> past
> > > archives but
> > > > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> > > >
> > > > -ted
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes
> the
> > > > > virtual
> > > > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to
> "think" it
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens
> when
> > > you
> > > > > access
> > > > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ashley M. Kirchner 

Scott Spence wrote:

> as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron job
> runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
> cron to be run as mailman:mailman)

If your MM cron runs as the user mailman, it will retain the mailman permissions.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Scott Spence 

Ted,

as a matter of interest what happens to the permissions once the cron job
runs - are they changed to the cron jobs permissions? (I would expect
cron to be run as mailman:mailman) This may help me trouble shoot a
problem I have been happening where the permissions are changing to be
mail:mail (in my case) and thereby not allowing the webserver to access
them.

If the cookie problem is likely rember to restart your browser (or open a
new one) these are sometimes loaded on program launch (MS IE anyway) and
even if you have deleted the cookie this will be required.

Cheers

Scott

 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Ted M Harapat wrote:

> Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other system's 2.0.6
> install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The config.db
> file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is running as)
> and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the mailman home
> dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.
>
> After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to make sure I
> could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving
> permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original mailman
> directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save info. I
> wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think that it
> must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory and copied
> my backup dir back over it.
>
> I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm not so sure
> that doing so would help me.
>
> -ted
>
> Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db of
> > your
> > test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> > ~mailman/logs/...
> > Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> >
> > Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> >
> >
> > > Thats a great idea.
> > >
> > > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server
> > and
> > virtual
> > > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to
> > the
> > > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> > authenticated
> > and went
> > > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I
> > told
> > lynx
> > > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> > >
> > > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past
> > archives but
> > > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> > >
> > > -ted
> > >
> > > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> > > > virtual
> > > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when
> > you
> > > > access
> > > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice
> > way
> > > > to
> > > > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> > info!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > > > >
> > > > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79
> > but
> > > > the
> > > > same
> > > > > thing happened.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add.
> > The
> > > > hostname
> > > > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand
> > new
> > > > system
&

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ted M Harapat 

Hi Morgan. 

I may be interested in those files. I'd love to determine what I'm doing wrong 
with this setup though. 

I tried clearing both the cookies and the cache locally and I even restarted 
each of the browsers. That didn't work. So I booted up my linux workstation in 
my cube and launced Netscape there after I set my /etc/hosts file to point that 
hostname to that IP. That came up with the same problems. I should have known 
that it would considering that lynx on the list server's CLI did that too. I'm 
not sure what is stopping me. Especially considering that my version of 2.0.6 
Mailman is on the very same version of linux (with different packages 
installed) as this new 2.0.8 install. 

I'll try some more things but I may write you to ask for those configurations 
if all else fails. 

-ted

Quoting Morgan Fletcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Ted M Harapat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some
> mails
> > > > to them.  So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface
> to
> > > > start to configure them and add the users to the lists. Here's
> where
> > > > the problem started.  I put in all the info and hit "Submit Your
> > > > Changes" and it went to that next page as normal but none of my
> > > > changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd features and the
> same
> > > > thing happened... nothing was saving!
> > 
> > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this. 
> 
> Try deleting your mailman-generated cookies and emptying your
> cache(s).
> 
> I am serving a list for a virtual domain. I've got apache and postfix
> set
> up to serve the domain properly, including http://domain.xxx/mailman
> and
> http://www.domain.xxx/mailman, and I've told the list to "prefer" that
> host
> name and to use http://www.domain.xxx/mailman for the base URL.
> 
> When I tried accessing that URL using the "real" hostname, the cookies
> broke and I had to delete them and empty my cache.
> 
> Let me know if you'd like anything from my config files.
> 
> FWIW, I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 on Linux.
> 
> Morgan
> 
> 
> 
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> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ted M Harapat 

Well, I did look around the install and compared it to my other system's 2.0.6 
install and it seemed very similar in the way the rights were set. The config.db 
file (in this particular list) is owned by nobody (which apache is running as) 
and group of mailman. In fact, I just checked and every file in the mailman home 
dir is either owned by the user or group of mailman.

After my previous email to you, I even did something far fetched to make sure I 
could write to it. I made a copy of the mailman home dir (preserving 
permissions) and did a recursive chmod 777 against the original mailman 
directory. And then ran the website... it STILL didn't let me save info. I 
wouldn't think so otherwise but with results like that, I would think that it 
must be something outside of that directory. I deleted that directory and copied 
my backup dir back over it. 

I just don't have any ideas... I could reinstall it again.. but I'm not so sure 
that doing so would help me. 

-ted

Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db of
> your
> test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the
> ~mailman/logs/...
> Also are there any errors in the apache logs?
> 
> Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> 
> 
> > Thats a great idea.
> >
> > Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server
> and
> virtual
> > website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to
> the
> > localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I
> authenticated
> and went
> > to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I
> told
> lynx
> > to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
> >
> > I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past
> archives but
> > am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> > > virtual
> > > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it
> is
> > > the
> > > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when
> you
> > > access
> > > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice
> way
> > > to
> > > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or
> info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > > >
> > > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79
> but
> > > the
> > > same
> > > > thing happened.
> > > >
> > > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add.
> The
> > > hostname
> > > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand
> new
> > > system
> > > thats
> > > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set
> up
> > > my
> > > local
> > > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh,
> and
> > > this
> > > is also
> > > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I
> had
> > > to do
> > > that
> > > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > > >
> > > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > -ted
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly
> you
> > > are
> > > > > using
> > > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the
> new
> > > cookie
> > > > > layout (in ve

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Morgan Fletcher 

Ted M Harapat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails
> > > to them.  So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to
> > > start to configure them and add the users to the lists. Here's where
> > > the problem started.  I put in all the info and hit "Submit Your
> > > Changes" and it went to that next page as normal but none of my
> > > changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd features and the same
> > > thing happened... nothing was saving!
> 
> Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this. 

Try deleting your mailman-generated cookies and emptying your cache(s).

I am serving a list for a virtual domain. I've got apache and postfix set
up to serve the domain properly, including http://domain.xxx/mailman and
http://www.domain.xxx/mailman, and I've told the list to "prefer" that host
name and to use http://www.domain.xxx/mailman for the base URL.

When I tried accessing that URL using the "real" hostname, the cookies
broke and I had to delete them and empty my cache.

Let me know if you'd like anything from my config files.

FWIW, I'm using Mozilla 0.9.8 on Linux.

Morgan



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Jon Carnes 

Have you checked the rights of the install?  Could the config.db of your
test list be read only?  That should spark errors in the ~mailman/logs/...
Also are there any errors in the apache logs?

Are you using NFS to mount any of the install?
- Original Message -
From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!


> Thats a great idea.
>
> Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server and
virtual
> website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to the
> localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I authenticated
and went
> to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I told
lynx
> to Always accept cookies so I know it's working.
>
> I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past
archives but
> am finding nothing related to this exact problem.
>
> -ted
>
> Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> > virtual
> > hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it is
> > the
> > domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when you
> > access
> > the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice way
> > to
> > troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> >
> > - Original Message -----
> > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> >
> >
> > > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> > >
> > > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but
> > the
> > same
> > > thing happened.
> > >
> > > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The
> > hostname
> > > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new
> > system
> > thats
> > > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up
> > my
> > local
> > > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and
> > this
> > is also
> > > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had
> > to do
> > that
> > > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> > >
> > > Could either of those two things matter?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > -ted
> > >
> > > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you
> > are
> > > > using
> > > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new
> > cookie
> > > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of
> > your
> > > > changes are accepted.
> > > >
> > > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site
> > with
> > > > your
> > > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works...
> > except
> > > > maybe
> > > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> > > >
> > > > Jon Carnes
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and
> > it
> > > > worked
> > > > near
> > > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out.
> > I've
> > > > installed
> > > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > > >
> > > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some
&g

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ted M Harapat 

Thats a great idea.

Well, the linux system is set to think that it is the list server and virtual 
website hostname (set via the /etc/hosts file) so I pulled up lynx to the 
localhost virtual domain and it pulled up just fine and I authenticated and went 
to the page for adding/removing users and the same thing happened. I told lynx 
to Always accept cookies so I know it's working. 

I'm stumped. I don't see where to go with this. I've read many past archives but 
am finding nothing related to this exact problem.

-ted

Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the
> virtual
> hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it is
> the
> domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when you
> access
> the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice way
> to
> troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?
> 
> Jon Carnes
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!
> 
> 
> > Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
> >
> > After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but
> the
> same
> > thing happened.
> >
> > I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The
> hostname
> > isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new
> system
> thats
> > about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up
> my
> local
> > hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and
> this
> is also
> > a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had
> to do
> that
> > host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
> >
> > Could either of those two things matter?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you
> are
> > > using
> > > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new
> cookie
> > > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of
> your
> > > changes are accepted.
> > >
> > > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE
> have
> > > the
> > > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site
> with
> > > your
> > > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works...
> except
> > > maybe
> > > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> > >
> > > Jon Carnes
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and
> it
> > > worked
> > > near
> > > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out.
> I've
> > > installed
> > > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > > >
> > > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some
> mails
> > > to
> > > them.
> > > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start
> to
> > > configure
> > > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem
> started.
> > > I
> > > put in
> > > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that
> next
> > > page
> > > as
> > > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried
> non-useradd
> > > features and
> > > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > > permissions to
> > > make
> > > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> > > directory.
> > > I even
> > > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> > > produced
> > > the
> > > > same results. I can't imagine that ther

Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Jon Carnes 

Try deleting the old cookie (or delete them all!!!)  But, yes the virtual
hosting could do you in.  Is the web server configured to "think" it is the
domain name you are using (to browse to it)?  What happens when you access
the server locally using something like Lynx (which is a really nice way to
troubleshoot the problem as it tells you everything it's doing)?

Jon Carnes

- Original Message -
From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jon Carnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!


> Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this.
>
> After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but the
same
> thing happened.
>
> I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The
hostname
> isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new system
thats
> about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up my
local
> hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and this
is also
> a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had to do
that
> host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up.
>
> Could either of those two things matter?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -ted
>
> Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are
> > using
> > Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
> > layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> > authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
> > changes are accepted.
> >
> > Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have
> > the
> > same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with
> > your
> > Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except
> > maybe
> > it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> >
> > Jon Carnes
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> >
> >
> > > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and it
> > worked
> > near
> > > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out. I've
> > installed
> > > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> > >
> > > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails
> > to
> > them.
> > > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start to
> > configure
> > > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem started.
> > I
> > put in
> > > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that next
> > page
> > as
> > > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd
> > features and
> > > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> > permissions to
> > make
> > > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> > directory.
> > I even
> > > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> > produced
> > the
> > > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so drastically
> > different
> > > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't figure
> > it
> > out. Can
> > > anyone make any suggestions?
> > >
> > > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are
> > reporting
> > no
> > > errors related to the mailman account or directories or permissions.
> > It
> > all
> > > appears perfectly correct.
> > >
> > > Please advise.
> > >
> > >
> > > -ted
> > >
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> > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> >
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Web interface saves no settings or info!

2002-02-19 Thread Ted M Harapat 

Actually, I am using IE 6.x for this. 

After reading this, I went ahead and tried this in Netscape 4.79 but the same 
thing happened.

I have only one more quirky thing with my setup, I should add. The hostname 
isn't really in DNS as I'm calling it. Because this is a brand new system thats 
about to take over an old non-Mailman list server, I simply set up my local 
hosts file to reflect the new IP so only I could access it. Oh, and this is also 
a virtual domain/website on the new linux system, which is why I had to do that 
host-file trick so the host-headers would make it come up. 

Could either of those two things matter? 

Thanks.

-ted

Quoting Jon Carnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> This is definitely a Frequently Asked Question...  Undoubtedly you are
> using
> Konqueror as your web browser.  Konqueror cannot handle the new cookie
> layout (in version 2.0.8).  Since it mis-reads the cookie, the
> authentication it sends when you Post is incorrect.  Thus none of your
> changes are accepted.
> 
> Use Netscape and your problems will be gone.  Newer versions of IE have
> the
> same problem, but the work around for IE is to set the web site with
> your
> Mailman install to "Trusted".  I have no idea why that works... except
> maybe
> it reads in the cookie without filtering it for bad things.
> 
> Jon Carnes
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ted M Harapat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:40 PM
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Web interfase saves no settings or info!
> 
> 
> > Hi. I've setup mailman a couple other time in the past year and it
> worked
> near
> > flawlessly except for a few tiny things that were worked out. I've
> installed
> > 2.0.8 on a new (Mandrake Linux) system just yesterday.
> >
> > It all installed fine as always, and I made lists and sent some mails
> to
> them.
> > So it appeared to work. So I went to the web interface to start to
> configure
> > them and add the users to the lists. Here's where the problem started.
> I
> put in
> > all the info and hit "Submit Your Changes" and it went to that next
> page
> as
> > normal but none of my changes were accepted. So I tried non-useradd
> features and
> > the same thing happened... nothing was saving! I've checked
> permissions to
> make
> > sure the mailman group had access to all the files in his home
> directory.
> I even
> > decided to start from scratch and completely reinstall but that
> produced
> the
> > same results. I can't imagine that there is something so drastically
> different
> > from my old installs (of 2.0.6) compared to now that I can't figure
> it
> out. Can
> > anyone make any suggestions?
> >
> > I have gone through all of the web & mailman logs and they are
> reporting
> no
> > errors related to the mailman account or directories or permissions.
> It
> all
> > appears perfectly correct.
> >
> > Please advise.
> >
> >
> > -ted
> >
> > --
> > Mailman-Users maillist  -  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> 

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