Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
I should have added that not only are the original messages plain text but the list is configured to convert text/html parts to plain text. Isn't this proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp ? It doesn't work for us. Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' referred to in solution 3? Maybe I could try those as well. We are already trying solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly. Thanks David -Original Message- From: Brad Knowles ... Your description of: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. Sounds exactly like the problem I was referring to. And this doesn't have anything to do with text versus HTML formatting, it has to do with MIME formatting and things like what you perceive to be an attachment. This is explained in some detail within the FAQ entry I referenced. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote: I should have added that not only are the original messages plain text but the list is configured to convert text/html parts to plain text. Plain text or not for the main message body, you may still have other bodyparts that are in other MIME formats, and you could potentially be stripping them, or you could allow them through. If you do allow them through, then adding footers to your outgoing messages may cause your plain text format message to get encapsulated into a MIME multi-part/related type, which may be displayed in your MUA in a manner that is not palatable. Isn't this proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp ? It doesn't work for us. Are you sure you're stripping all possible MIME bodypart types that might be interfering with the mail, and not just converting only the text/html parts into plain text and leaving the rest alone? Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' referred to in solution 3? Maybe I could try those as well. We are already trying solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly. An MUA is a Mail User Agent. In your case, the X-Mailer: header in your message says that you're using Microsoft Office Outlook 11 as your MUA. In my case, my MUA is Eudora. There are plenty of other options available. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
I'm getting confused. To clarify, in Mailman 2.1.8 content filtering terms: we are 'filtering the content' , we are not 'removing message attachments that have a matching content type' we are 'removing message attachments that don't match multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative or text/plain', we are removing message attachments that match exe, bat, cmd, com,pif,scr,vbs,cpl ', we are 'collapsing multipart/alternative to its first part content', we are converting text/html parts to plain text. is that solution 2? By the way I still don't know how to configure solution 1. thanks for your time David -Original Message- From: Brad Knowles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2007 14:29 To: David Beaumont; 'Brad Knowles'; 'Mark Sapiro'; mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote: I should have added that not only are the original messages plain text but the list is configured to convert text/html parts to plain text. Plain text or not for the main message body, you may still have other bodyparts that are in other MIME formats, and you could potentially be stripping them, or you could allow them through. If you do allow them through, then adding footers to your outgoing messages may cause your plain text format message to get encapsulated into a MIME multi-part/related type, which may be displayed in your MUA in a manner that is not palatable. Isn't this proposed solution number 2 in the FAQ http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.0 39.htp ? It doesn't work for us. Are you sure you're stripping all possible MIME bodypart types that might be interfering with the mail, and not just converting only the text/html parts into plain text and leaving the rest alone? Where do I configure proposed solution no. 1 and what is a 'MUA' referred to in solution 3? Maybe I could try those as well. We are already trying solution 4 which I have to say works perfectly. An MUA is a Mail User Agent. In your case, the X-Mailer: header in your message says that you're using Microsoft Office Outlook 11 as your MUA. In my case, my MUA is Eudora. There are plenty of other options available. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
David Beaumont wrote: I'm getting confused. To clarify, in Mailman 2.1.8 content filtering terms: we are 'filtering the content' , we are not 'removing message attachments that have a matching content type' we are 'removing message attachments that don't match multipart/mixed, multipart/alternative or text/plain', we are removing message attachments that match exe, bat, cmd, com,pif,scr,vbs,cpl ', we are 'collapsing multipart/alternative to its first part content', we are converting text/html parts to plain text. We're all getting a bit confused. First of all, Bard's referring to multipart mime is correct and is really the crux of the issue, but FAQ 4.39 isn't really helpful in this case. What is happening is there are two ways to get at the original message short of accessing it directly on the server. The first is if admin_immed_notify is Yes, the message is included in the notice to the admin. The second is to 'forward' the message from the web admindb interface. In the first of these cases, the original message is an 'attachment' (i.e. a MIME message/rfc822 part) to the message sent/received. A 'forwarded' message is a bit trickier. Concentrating on that for a moment, the message contains the original message as a message/rfc822 body type. This is done to preserve the headers of the original message. In other words, the original message is forwarded something like an attachment, but there is only one 'attached' part and it is the message/rfc822 original message. Thus, you can simply forward the message from the admindb interface to another list, but the receiving list must accept content of type message/rfc822 So you can add 'message/rfc822' to pass_mime_types. Then your issue is when you forward the post to list_2, it will be from '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' instead of the original sender, and it will have subject Forward of moderated message instead of the original subject so this really isn't a satisfactory option. What you really want is the ability to 'bounce' or 'resend' the message from the admindb interface to anothe address, but this ability doesn't exist. So then the alternative is to forward the message to yourself, or just use the original held message notice if you got one, open that message with a sufficiently mime capable MUA (mail user agent, aka mail client), select the part which is the original message and resend that to list_2. With an MUA such as Mutt for example, this is fairly easy. With Outlook, it may be impossible. One final note. With your content filtering settings, converting HTML to plain text won't happen. If you want to accept an HTML only message and convert it to plain text, you have to add text/html to pass_mime_types. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
David Beaumont wrote: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. FAQ 3.9 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques described there will work just as well for bouncing a message to another list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
On 12/10/07, Mark Sapiro wrote: FAQ 3.9 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques described there will work just as well for bouncing a message to another list. Don't forget FAQ 4.39 at http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq04.039.htp, which addresses the problems of HTML-formatted messages and what happens to them when you start stripping or flattening content, or adding footers, etc -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
yes thanks that is one FAQ I had read, with a slight amount of horror. The first suggestion is surely much too cumbersome for regular use, I take it the 'Voila' is ironic. The second suggestion I could live with except that I don't have server shell access and anyway it would not fix our particular problem. thanks David -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 December 2007 01:50 To: David Beaumont; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments David Beaumont wrote: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. FAQ 3.9 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.009.htp addresses a slightly different issue, but the techniques described there will work just as well for bouncing a message to another list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] forwarding messages from one list to another not asattachments
On 12/11/07, David Beaumont wrote: Thanks but I don't think that is relevant as the original messages are in plain text format, I have checked. Your description of: We need to forward moderated emails from one list to another more appropriate list. However they always arrive munged up, losing the originators email address and with the text as an attachment. I.e. looking pretty crap. Sounds exactly like the problem I was referring to. And this doesn't have anything to do with text versus HTML formatting, it has to do with MIME formatting and things like what you perceive to be an attachment. This is explained in some detail within the FAQ entry I referenced. -- Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
