Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users]

Den 31. mars 2017 22:41, skrev Mark Sapiro:

On 03/31/2017 12:12 PM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote:



Sure, daily summary should be fine, but on a bad day these
non-deliverable admin-emails will add up, and postfix keeps trying to
deliver them. So my logs show quite a few failed delivery attempts.
Queue of undeliverable mail grows. Neat-freak in me gets very jumpy.

Like I say elsewhere, slight mis-reporting on my part, it's my
"smart-host" up-stream out-going smtp that is rejecting the mail w\
spam-attachments.



The "smart host" doesn't seem very smart if it is rejecting spam mail
with a 4xx (retryable) and not a 5xx (failure) status.


Partly my fault I suppose, I've got various settings tuned to avoid 
losing mail during testing of my new mail-setup. This whole exercise 
started because I have switched from dSpam to rspamd for 
spam-prevention. I had a whole forest of postfix-instances to fine tune 
things so spam-filtering was done before alias-expansion and after 
spf/dkim checks. Lots of other tweaks. I did have a working web-based 
quarantine though. Presently doing major demolition and converting to 
rmilter/rspamd, without quarantine. This means mailman gets to do the 
quarantine duty for spam to my lists.


I'm confident that the end-result will be less spaghetti-like, but I'm 
not there yet :-) . Also my rspamd is not fully trained and tested.




Another thought is just turn off admin_immed_notify, but of course that
will also turn off notices for mail that might not be spam.



Done that, seems it did not "take" immediately. Spam flood has abated 
now, hopefully a few days to the next storm, by which time things will 
be in better shape.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/31/2017 12:12 PM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> 
> Sure, daily summary should be fine, but on a bad day these
> non-deliverable admin-emails will add up, and postfix keeps trying to
> deliver them. So my logs show quite a few failed delivery attempts.
> Queue of undeliverable mail grows. Neat-freak in me gets very jumpy.
> 
> Like I say elsewhere, slight mis-reporting on my part, it's my
> "smart-host" up-stream out-going smtp that is rejecting the mail w\
> spam-attachments.


The "smart host" doesn't seem very smart if it is rejecting spam mail
with a 4xx (retryable) and not a 5xx (failure) status.

Another thought is just turn off admin_immed_notify, but of course that
will also turn off notices for mail that might not be spam.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users]

Den 31. mars 2017 19:52, skrev Mark Sapiro:

On 03/31/2017 10:05 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote:


So, I need to NOT send the attachment to get the "pending" mail to the
list-admin.



The only way to do that would be to modify the code in the
hold_for_approval function in Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py,
Thanks for the tip, I actually might do that. At least I feel I can give 
attempts at changing the config a rest.


 but why do you

need to not send the attachment? As I indicate in my reply at
,
if the message is spam, why is there any urgency in notifying the admin
of the held message? Isn't the next daily summary soon enough?



Sure, daily summary should be fine, but on a bad day these 
non-deliverable admin-emails will add up, and postfix keeps trying to 
deliver them. So my logs show quite a few failed delivery attempts. 
Queue of undeliverable mail grows. Neat-freak in me gets very jumpy.


Like I say elsewhere, slight mis-reporting on my part, it's my 
"smart-host" up-stream out-going smtp that is rejecting the mail w\ 
spam-attachments.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/31/2017 10:05 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> So, I need to NOT send the attachment to get the "pending" mail to the
> list-admin.


The only way to do that would be to modify the code in the
hold_for_approval function in Mailman/Handlers/Hold.py, but why do you
need to not send the attachment? As I indicate in my reply at
,
if the message is spam, why is there any urgency in notifying the admin
of the held message? Isn't the next daily summary soon enough?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users]

Den 31. mars 2017 17:13, skrev Scott Neader:

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via
Mailman-Users mailto:mailman-users@python.org>> wrote:

I have a list administrator who is on gmail. Forwarding held
spam-messages to him does not work, since google rejects mail that
has spam attached. Is it possible to send notification of pending
actions *without* attaching the held message?


Hi Håkon.

This is an interesting question, and I'm interested in the answer.
However, since your user happens to be using GMail, you DO have a good
option to solve this:

The approval emails will come from:

FROM: listname-ow...@example.com 


The GMail user can simply create a "Filter" in GMail, that looks for
messages "from:listname-ow...@example.com
" and check the box that says
"Never send it to Spam".  Here's how:

http://blog.simplelists.com/make-sure-real-emails-dont-get-sent-to-spam-gmail-2015/



Slightly wrong description in my original report, I was jumping to 
conclusions. I see now it is my "smarthost" upstream outbound relay that 
is complaining, and rejecting (not just mis-filing):


Mar 31 09:05:51 garbo postfix-relay/smtp[27886]: 657FFC00036D: host 
smtp.altibox.no[109.247.116.10] said: 550 5.7.1 Rejected. This message 
has been marked as spam. client=148.252.117.52 job_id=441D780084 (in 
reply to end of DATA command)


So, I need to NOT send the attachment to get the "pending" mail to the 
list-admin.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/31/2017 08:13 AM, Scott Neader wrote:
> 
> The GMail user can simply create a "Filter" in GMail, that looks for
> messages "from:listname-ow...@example.com" and check the box that says
> "Never send it to Spam".  Here's how:
> 
> http://blog.simplelists.com/make-sure-real-emails-dont-get-sent-to-spam-gmail-2015/


I'm not certain, but I don't think this will work in this case. It will
certainly work if the message is ending up in the user's spam folder,
but I think the filtering is occurring earlier in this case. I.e., gmail
rejects the message at incoming SMTP time per

550-5.7.1 [2a03:b0c0:2:d0::71:1  12] Our system has detected that this
550-5.7.1 message is likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the amount of
spam sent
550-5.7.1 to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please visit
550-5.7.1  https://support.google.com/mail/?p=UnsolicitedMessageError
550 5.7.1  for more information.

and the message never gets as far as the user's filters.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 03/31/2017 12:45 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I have a list administrator who is on gmail. Forwarding held
> spam-messages to him does not work, since google rejects mail that has
> spam attached. Is it possible to send notification of pending actions
> *without* attaching the held message?


The notices sent upon holding a message when admin_immed_notify is Yes
will always contain the held message.

However, the daily summary of held messages does not contain the
messages themselves.

It would seem that if the immediate notification is "spam" and not
received, that there wouldn't be any urgency to deal with that before
the daily summary is sent anyway, so it doesn't seem to me that this is
really a problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] list-admin on gmail ?

[Scott Neader]

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Håkon Alstadheim via Mailman-Users <
mailman-users@python.org> wrote:

> I have a list administrator who is on gmail. Forwarding held spam-messages
> to him does not work, since google rejects mail that has spam attached. Is
> it possible to send notification of pending actions *without* attaching the
> held message?


Hi Håkon.

This is an interesting question, and I'm interested in the answer.
However, since your user happens to be using GMail, you DO have a good
option to solve this:

The approval emails will come from:

FROM: listname-ow...@example.com


The GMail user can simply create a "Filter" in GMail, that looks for
messages "from:listname-ow...@example.com" and check the box that says
"Never send it to Spam".  Here's how:

http://blog.simplelists.com/make-sure-real-emails-dont-get-sent-to-spam-gmail-2015/

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