Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
On 3 Nov 2019 at 8:10, Brian Carpenter wrote: > Did you check to see if notifications were enabled on your bounce > processing page? You can contact your hosting provider to have them look > into their mail logs to see why those email addresses are bouncing list > messages. Yup -- I have it set to notify me when the bounce-score is incremented and I know that I get a different message when the bounce score hits its limit. I doubt I'll get any help from the hosting provider. But I can ask. They handle thousands of email lists and judging by how out of date their version of mailman is, prolly not very expert in the python/logs stuff... we'll see... Thanks! /bernie\ Bernie Cosell ber...@fantasyfarm.com -- Too many people; too few sheep -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
On 11/3/19 7:08 AM, Richard Damon wrote: On 11/3/19 6:05 AM, Bernie Cosell wrote: On 2 Nov 2019 at 21:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/2/19 5:03 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote: ... Here's the message i got.. no reason why: Subject: NPL-Folk unsubscribe notification From: mailman-boun...@lists.puzzlers.org To: npl-folk-ow...@lists.puzzlers.org Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:24:21 -0700 Sender: "NPL-Folk" dear...@hotmail.com has been removed from NPL-Folk. This is the generic unsubscribe notification from the list's .ApprovedDeleteMember method. Starting with Mailman 2.1.27, it also reported the source of the unsubscribe. The source is reported in the entry in Mailman's subscribe log if you have access to that. Nope. I have no access to that and I just got another "has been removed" message this morning. Is there any way for a non-privileged mailman admin to figure out why? I didn't get any "bounce score incremented" messages for either unsubscribe. /Bernie\ Bernie Cosell ber...@fantasyfarm.com -- Too many people; too few sheep -- Its possible that your hosting service has disabled the option to require approval to unsubscribe Hi Bernie, Did you check to see if notifications were enabled on your bounce processing page? You can contact your hosting provider to have them look into their mail logs to see why those email addresses are bouncing list messages. -- Please let me know if you need further assistance. Thank you for your business. We appreciate our clients. Brian Carpenter EMWD.com -- EMWD's Knowledgebase: https://clientarea.emwd.com/index.php/knowledgebase EMWD's Community Forums http://discourse.emwd.com/ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
On 11/3/19 3:05 AM, Bernie Cosell wrote: > > Nope. I have no access to that and I just got another "has been removed" > message this morning. Is there any way for a non-privileged mailman admin > to > figure out why? I didn't get any "bounce score incremented" messages for > either > unsubscribe. What is the time stamp on these unsubscribe notices? Also, if the users are being unsubscribed by bounce processing, and assuming you have default settings for bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings (3) and bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings_interval (7), any bounce score incremented or delivery disabled notice would have been at least 3 weeks earlier. You might be able to get your hosting provider to provide the log messages from Mailman's subscribe log. They will be of the form (pid) : deleted ; where is the same as the time of the unsubscribe notice. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
On 11/3/19 6:05 AM, Bernie Cosell wrote: > On 2 Nov 2019 at 21:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> On 11/2/19 5:03 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote: >>> ... Here's the >>> message i got.. no reason why: >>> >>> Subject: NPL-Folk unsubscribe notification >>> From: mailman-boun...@lists.puzzlers.org >>> To: npl-folk-ow...@lists.puzzlers.org >>> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:24:21 -0700 >>> Sender: "NPL-Folk" >>> >>> dear...@hotmail.com has been removed from NPL-Folk. >> >> This is the generic unsubscribe notification from the list's >> .ApprovedDeleteMember method. Starting with Mailman 2.1.27, it also >> reported the source of the unsubscribe. The source is reported in the >> entry in Mailman's subscribe log if you have access to that. > Nope. I have no access to that and I just got another "has been removed" > message this morning. Is there any way for a non-privileged mailman admin > to > figure out why? I didn't get any "bounce score incremented" messages for > either > unsubscribe. > > /Bernie\ > > Bernie Cosell >ber...@fantasyfarm.com > -- Too many people; too few sheep -- > Its possible that your hosting service has disabled the option to require approval to unsubscribe -- Richard Damon -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
On 2 Nov 2019 at 21:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 11/2/19 5:03 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote: > > ... Here's the > > message i got.. no reason why: > > > > Subject: NPL-Folk unsubscribe notification > > From: mailman-boun...@lists.puzzlers.org > > To: npl-folk-ow...@lists.puzzlers.org > > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 22:24:21 -0700 > > Sender: "NPL-Folk" > > > > dear...@hotmail.com has been removed from NPL-Folk. > > > This is the generic unsubscribe notification from the list's > .ApprovedDeleteMember method. Starting with Mailman 2.1.27, it also > reported the source of the unsubscribe. The source is reported in the > entry in Mailman's subscribe log if you have access to that. Nope. I have no access to that and I just got another "has been removed" message this morning. Is there any way for a non-privileged mailman admin to figure out why? I didn't get any "bounce score incremented" messages for either unsubscribe. /Bernie\ Bernie Cosell ber...@fantasyfarm.com -- Too many people; too few sheep -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
On 11/2/19 4:46 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote: > i received a notification that one of the users on my list was unsubscribed. > I'm > surprise because the configuration for the list specified that unsubscribes > have to > be approved, and this wasn't. How could that happen? The list's unsubscribe_policy only applies to user initiated unsubscribes. Unsubscribes by an admin or by bounce processing don't require approval. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] user unsubscribe
Hi, If the notification was sent at 9:00 AM server time, it probably means the subscriber was bouncing Email (changed their Email address and didn't update their list subscription, their mail server thinks your messages are spam, etc.) and didn't respond to multiple "Your mail is bouncing, click here if you received this message" Emails. If this is the case and the list is in the default configuration, you should assume they haven't been receiving Email for at least three weeks. Jayson On 11/2/2019 7:46 PM, Bernie Cosell wrote: i received a notification that one of the users on my list was unsubscribed. I'm surprise because the configuration for the list specified that unsubscribes have to be approved, and this wasn't. How could that happen? /Bernie\ Bernie Cosell ber...@fantasyfarm.com -- Too many people; too few sheep -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jaybird%40bluegrasspals.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
