Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
On 3 Apr 2014, at 11:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: To me the question should be: Is it worth adding the option of alternative Markdown converters at the price of people using inline HTML and other unreadable plain text? I'm not so sure ;-) Personally, I'm happy to keep using my wrapper around MultiMarkdown in the existing model. It's too complicated for it to be likely of use to others, although if there were a way to release it as a bundle, I'd be happy to. But it's allowed me to do things like add automatic syntax-highlighting to code blocks, and support tab-delimited tables, and otherwise extend my email in ways which make my work much easier. If someone were to view the plain-text of those messages, or even reply to them, they wouldn't get exactly what I got, but they'd get something perfectly readable--that's the basic nature of Markdown. I don't think you need to specially tag those situations. Assume that in the future other mail programs might use other markdown processors; you want them to interact. If you're looking at where to focus, rather than specifically supporting other Markdown processors, I'd focus on supporting people who have to reply to HTML email without losing the original HTML. I effuse to people at work about MailMate, but then I tell them they can't use it--because it really doesn't work in a corporate environment where people are sending complex (and often Outlook-generated) mail messages, and my current hack (strip out the header information, convert body to a div, force-include MailMate's CSS so as to override the broken Outlook CSS for my portion of the message, and then enter my markdown message above the raw HTML of their message) doesn't work with Sundown, and while it is fine for me, it's not suitable for public consumption. I only do that for work email, but it would nice to be able to use it as a general reply option--because sometimes people send you HTML email and you need to reply without bowdlerizing it. Forcing top-commenting in that environment is probably fine (I rarely see Outlook users inline commenting--and when they do, it invariably gets screwed up by Outlook--but maybe that's just where I work).___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
For me, Kee is highlighting my dilemma: I need to reply to HTML, and create well-formed HTML tables and such, and in doing so the email needs to look good to the corporate/outlook world I live in. I was actually going to spend time today searching the listserve for guidance. I've tried some other email apps and keep coming back the MM because of its unparalleled search. But for us MM users that are even afraid of keybinding, I keep hoping some sort of easily adopted solution will appear. Plaintext simply doesn't work for me in 25% of my life... Rob McClure shar...@gmail.com On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:36 AM, Kee Hinckley kee+fre...@hinckley.com wrote: On 3 Apr 2014, at 11:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: To me the question should be: Is it worth adding the option of alternative Markdown converters at the price of people using inline HTML and other unreadable plain text? I’m not so sure ;-) Personally, I’m happy to keep using my wrapper around MultiMarkdown in the existing model. It’s too complicated for it to be likely of use to others, although if there were a way to release it as a bundle, I’d be happy to. But it’s allowed me to do things like add automatic syntax-highlighting to code blocks, and support tab-delimited tables, and otherwise extend my email in ways which make my work much easier. If someone were to view the plain-text of those messages, or even reply to them, they wouldn’t get exactly what I got, but they’d get something perfectly readable–that’s the basic nature of Markdown. I don’t think you need to specially tag those situations. Assume that in the future other mail programs might use other markdown processors; you want them to interact. If you’re looking at where to focus, rather than specifically supporting other Markdown processors, I’d focus on supporting people who have to reply to HTML email without losing the original HTML. I effuse to people at work about MailMate, but then I tell them they can’t use it–because it really doesn’t work in a corporate environment where people are sending complex (and often Outlook-generated) mail messages, and my current hack (strip out the header information, convert body to a div, force-include MailMate’s CSS so as to override the broken Outlook CSS for my portion of the message, and then enter my markdown message above the raw HTML of their message) doesn’t work with Sundown, and while it is fine for me, it’s not suitable for public consumption. I only do that for work email, but it would nice to be able to use it as a general reply option–because sometimes people send you HTML email and you need to reply without bowdlerizing it. Forcing top-commenting in that environment is probably fine (I rarely see Outlook users inline commenting–and when they do, it invariably gets screwed up by Outlook–but maybe that’s just where I work). ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown inside of words
On Apr 6, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Rob McClure shar...@gmail.com wrote: For me, Kee is highlighting my dilemma: I need to reply to HTML, and create well-formed HTML tables and such, and in doing so the email needs to look good to the corporate/outlook world I live in. Ironically, I'm at the other end -- I need to be able to read messages that others send that are in HTML, even if their MUA was dain-bramaged enough that it didn't give me a proper multipart/alternative, with a plain ASCII text version that I can read. But for what I generate, I'm perfectly happy keeping that to plain ASCII text, or markdown. IMO -- the simpler, the better. It will be interesting to see how Benny balances these requirements. ;-) -- Brad Knowles b...@shub-internet.org LinkedIn Profile: http://tinyurl.com/y8kpxu ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
