Re: [MlMt] Notify on reply
On 18 Sep 2014, at 12:06, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: I actually just got done doing that with MailMate. I'll write a blog post about it later on this evening to share how I accomplished it. Maybe others could chime in, improve the process, etc... OK, I guess technically (at least where I am) it is no longer this evening, but... 12:12am, close enough :-) I wrote a post with instructions and screen shots showing how I accomplished this process. http://jeremy.cowgar.com/2014/09/18/mailmate-waiting-on-reply/ I would be very interested in any improvements, ideas or comments on the process. I'll be happy to edit/update the post with the community making things better. -- Jeremy ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] insertFormatString... ${} expansions listed somewhere?
On 18 Sep 2014, at 17:54, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 18 Sep 2014, at 14:42, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: My company wants corporate email replied to in Outlook fashion :-(. That is simply depressing. I cannot imagine the reasoning behind such a strange requirement. I might be alone on this, but when I see this quoting style then “competent professional” are not the first words to cross my mind :-) Actually, I find that the Outlook threading is better than I had feared. It actually works pretty well for a "linear" thread like this one (the one I'm responding to): One person sends a message, another person replies, another person replies to that, and so on -- the reply is always to the most recent message. When that happens, thanks to top-posting, you can just read the most recent message. Either you read it bottom to top (very weird) in chronological order (sane); or you read it top to bottom (sane) in reverse chronological order (weird). If there is a "fork" in this linear series of responses, then Outlook shows you two messages, one for each fork. And you read the first one top to bottom, then the second one till you reach a message that you have seen before. It's kinda similar to the "conversations" view that some email programs offer. Only different :-) I understand that mixing the different styles just gives weird results. So I understand why the company doesn't want different people to use different styles, because the mixture is worse than either style by itself. Kai ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] insertFormatString... ${} expansions listed somewhere?
On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:54, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 18 Sep 2014, at 14:42, Jeremy Cowgar wrote:
That is simply depressing. I cannot imagine the reasoning behind such
a strange requirement. I might be alone on this, but when I see this
quoting style then “competent professional” are not the first
words to cross my mind :-)
I'm fighting it big time, believe me! They cite the ability to see the
entire flow of the message, and I respond that's what your email program
is for w/its ability to link messages in the same thread :-/
A short term solution would be to support the insertion of the
advanced type of format strings. I've changed `MmReplyWroteString`
such that if the first character is `{` then it's the “advanced”
formatting style. This works in the next test version of MailMate
(probably tomorrow).
Now, I almost hate myself for this, but you would then get something
like what you want by pasting this in the Terminal:
snip
Remember, it won't work before I've uploaded another test release.
I like that, however, I don't really want to change my quoting style for
anything other than this one account. I may just omit the ${cc} portion
in my "alternate" reply key and tell them that's as close as I can get.
Thanks for giving it a go!
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Re: [MlMt] Is there any way to make a command which does something with a substring of a subject?
On 18 Sep 2014, at 16:44, Kee Hinckley wrote: E.g. I have a subject that looks like "[Code Collaborator] New files in Review #73351" and I want to find all messages with #73351 in the subject. You can get part of the way with custom specifiers: https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate%40lists.freron.com/msg02243.html This is a place where it would be nice if there were an AppleScript mapping for running commands. I could have an external package that got the selection, and then it could call back into MailMate to execute the commands. It won't be implemented using AppleScript, but I'll certainly implement the ability to make special searches based on the currently selected message. In fact, if a specifier has been defined (as linked to above) then it'll likely be possible to do it by adding a key binding for it (no need for commands/scripts). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Notify on reply
I actually just got done doing that with MailMate. I'll write a blog post about it later on this evening to share how I accomplished it. Maybe others could chime in, improve the process, etc... -- Jeremy On 18 Sep 2014, at 10:45, Kee Hinckley wrote: iOS 8 has a nice new mail feature. You can select a message and ask for notification when someone replies to it. Just saying. :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] insertFormatString... ${} expansions listed somewhere?
On 18 Sep 2014, at 14:42, Jeremy Cowgar wrote:
OK, that got me a step closer, however I'm not exactly sure how to use
the ${cc} variable correctly, or maybe it can't be. It is returning to
me only the first person on the Cc list, not the entire list. Is there
a way to get the Cc list?
No, sorry, not supported yet. At least not for simple format strings. (A
more advanced approach is used for, e.g., the configuration of the
messages outline.)
My company wants corporate email replied to in Outlook fashion :-(.
That is simply depressing. I cannot imagine the reasoning behind such a
strange requirement. I might be alone on this, but when I see this
quoting style then “competent professional” are not the first words
to cross my mind :-)
I am just playing around with ways to make this work in MailMate. I've
managed to do this so far:
"R" = (
"replyAll:",
"insertFormatString:",
"-Original Message-\nFrom: ${to.name}
[mailto:${to.address}\nTo: ${from.name} [mailto:${from.name}]\nCc:
${cc.name}\nSent: ${date}\nSubject:${subject}\n"
);
This is only one small piece of the puzzle. I have thought about a
Bundle to accomplish this task, but it seems to get only the quote,
not any other information about the email, thus I can't add the above
header.
Yes, this is not so easily accomplished yet. What is really needed is
some kind of system for specifying prefaces (wrote-strings) and then let
MailMate handle it similarly to signatures. That way you could also
easily reply to me without using Outlook reply-style :-)
This has been on the todo for a long time. My own motivation is that I
want it to be easier to use multiple languages.
Hmm, `insertFormatString:` is not well suited for this since it is based
on the reply and not the original string.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, and yes... I don't like the Outlook
methodology, but they are really pushing it. I'm willing to go to
great lengths to avoid using Outlook for my work email, just for the
reply message!
A short term solution would be to support the insertion of the advanced
type of format strings. I've changed `MmReplyWroteString` such that if
the first character is `{` then it's the “advanced” formatting
style. This works in the next test version of MailMate (probably
tomorrow).
Now, I almost hate myself for this, but you would then get something
like what you want by pasting this in the Terminal:
~~~
defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmReplyWroteString -string "{
children =
(
{
string = '-Original Message-\n';
},
{
formatString = 'From: \${from.name}
<\${from.address}>\n';
},
{
sharedPrefix = 'to';
separatorString = ', ';
children = (
{
prefixString = 'To: ';
formatString = '\${to.name}
<\${to.address}>';
suffixString = '\n';
}
);
},
{
sharedPrefix = 'cc';
separatorString = ', ';
children = (
{
prefixString = 'Cc: ';
formatString = '\${cc.name}
<\${cc.address}>';
suffixString = '\n';
}
);
},
{
formatString = 'Sent: \${date}\n';
},
{
formatString = 'Subject: \${subject}\n';
},
);
}
"
~~~
Remember, it won't work before I've uploaded another test release.
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[MlMt] Notify on reply
iOS 8 has a nice new mail feature. You can select a message and ask for notification when someone replies to it. Just saying. :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Is there any way to make a command which does something with a substring of a subject?
E.g. I have a subject that looks like "[Code Collaborator] New files in Review #73351" and I want to find all messages with #73351 in the subject. This is a place where it would be nice if there were an AppleScript mapping for running commands. I could have an external package that got the selection, and then it could call back into MailMate to execute the commands.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] insertFormatString... ${} expansions listed somewhere?
On 18 Sep 2014, at 8:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
On 17 Sep 2014, at 23:53, Jeremy Cowgar wrote:
Are the variable expansions available for use listed somewhere?
No, they are implicitly available in this file:
MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/OakMIME.framework/Resources/specifiers.plist
OK, that got me a step closer, however I'm not exactly sure how to use
the ${cc} variable correctly, or maybe it can't be. It is returning to
me only the first person on the Cc list, not the entire list. Is there a
way to get the Cc list?
My company wants corporate email replied to in Outlook fashion :-(. I am
just playing around with ways to make this work in MailMate. I've
managed to do this so far:
"R" = (
"replyAll:",
"insertFormatString:",
"-Original Message-\nFrom: ${to.name}
[mailto:${to.address}\nTo: ${from.name} [mailto:${from.name}]\nCc:
${cc.name}\nSent: ${date}\nSubject:${subject}\n"
);
This is only one small piece of the puzzle. I have thought about a
Bundle to accomplish this task, but it seems to get only the quote, not
any other information about the email, thus I can't add the above
header.
Any thoughts would be appreciated, and yes... I don't like the Outlook
methodology, but they are really pushing it. I'm willing to go to great
lengths to avoid using Outlook for my work email, just for the reply
message!
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Re: [MlMt] insertFormatString... ${} expansions listed somewhere?
On 17 Sep 2014, at 23:53, Jeremy Cowgar wrote: Are the variable expansions available for use listed somewhere? No, they are implicitly available in this file: MailMate.app/Contents/Frameworks/OakMIME.framework/Resources/specifiers.plist But it might be easier to create a smart mailbox using the value you need and then look in the Mailboxes file: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist (Essentially, you just lowercase what you see in the headers popup.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules didn't come along with update
On 18 Sep 2014, at 11:30, Bob Koss wrote: I updated MailMate yesterday and I noticed this morning that my previous rules were not applied to incoming mail. I went to look at my rules and there weren't any. That doesn't sound good. So far, I have no other reports about this, but I'm of course very interested in fixing any bugs related to this. Is there a way to recover without entering them all again? If you have a backup then you can copy this file to get your mailboxes back: ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist You *must* quit MailMate before copying this file. If you manage to do this and the rules disappear again then let me know. Are there plans to make rules available across computers I use. Sometimes I'll enter rules on my laptop and sometimes on my desktop and it would be nice if I didn't have to do this twice. Possibly sync using Dropbox? I only have some notes on thoughts about how this could work. Something like Dropbox could be used, but I think it might be better to simply use IMAP for this purpose (the user could be asked to select a special IMAP mailbox for MailMate settings). It's not as trivial as it sounds though :-) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Rules didn't come along with update
I updated MailMate yesterday and I noticed this morning that my previous rules were not applied to incoming mail. I went to look at my rules and there weren't any. Is there a way to recover without entering them all again? Are there plans to make rules available across computers I use. Sometimes I'll enter rules on my laptop and sometimes on my desktop and it would be nice if I didn't have to do this twice. Possibly sync using Dropbox? Bob ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
