Re: [MlMt] "correspondent" column?

[Bob Stern]

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 7:45 AM, Benny Kjær Nielsen  
> wrote:
> 
> I think it can be implemented by introducing a virtual Correspondent header.


That would be a valuable feature!  (It was one of the great features of Eudora.)

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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 47, Issue 11

[Shoshanna Green]

On 2/10/15 12:00 PM, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:

On 10 Feb 2015, at 15:19, Shoshanna Green wrote:



I'm currently using Thunderbird, and MailMate looks amazing, but...
I rely on TBird's ShowInOut extension

to let me tidily keep incoming and outgoing mail in the same
folder, listing the sender for all incoming mail, and the recipient
for all outgoing mail, in a "Correspondent" column.



What is the meaning of the number of arrows?


I think they differentiate between messages sent to (or from) just the 
user, or the user and others, or a mailing list. That's unnecessary and 
way too cluttered for me, though. ShowInOut makes the images 
user-controllable (if you're comfortable editing the userChrome file, 
which I am); I just put a png image of "to: " before messages I send, 
which makes it very easy for me to scan the columns and know what my 
correspondence looks like. Here's a pic:




(My eye does prefer having no mark on the messages I send; it makes the 
difference between from-me and to-me stand out.)



I cannot give you a time frame, but it's both a useful and interesting
general feature. That makes it more likely to be implemented :-)


I would probably buy a MailMate license the day you implemented this :-)

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Re: [MlMt] "correspondent" column?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 15:19, Shoshanna Green wrote:

I'm currently using Thunderbird, and MailMate looks amazing, but... I 
rely on TBird's ShowInOut extension 
 to 
let me tidily keep incoming and outgoing mail in the same folder, 
listing the sender for all incoming mail, and the recipient for all 
outgoing mail, in a "Correspondent" column.


What is the meaning of the number of arrows?

I know at one point you were considering implementing this as a 
MailMate feature; it's ticket 445 
. 
Can you say what its current status is?


I haven't done anything to implement this, but some of my recent changes 
might have made it much easier to implement.


As a first step I'll share my thoughts on the subject.

I think it can be implemented by introducing a virtual Correspondent 
header. This should essentially be “Any Address” (from, to, cc, bcc) 
except any address which matches a known identity (Email Address(es) and 
address patterns in account settings).


This would allow it be used for a message outline column as you describe 
except for the arrows. It could also be used for searches, smart 
mailboxes, and the Submailboxes feature.


The complement of this header would be a virtual Identity header. This 
could also be very useful (and the implementation would be almost 
identical).


I cannot give you a time frame, but it's both a useful and interesting 
general feature. That makes it more likely to be implemented :-)


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[MlMt] "correspondent" column?

[Shoshanna Green]

I'm currently using Thunderbird, and MailMate looks amazing, but... I 
rely on TBird's ShowInOut extension 
 to let 
me tidily keep incoming and outgoing mail in the same folder, listing 
the sender for all incoming mail, and the recipient for all outgoing 
mail, in a "Correspondent" column.


I know at one point you were considering implementing this as a MailMate 
feature; it's ticket 445 
. 
Can you say what its current status is? I'd love to jump ship to a 
better email program (I'm tired of having to go to Gmail's web interface 
to efficiently search my mail), but I can't imagine doing without this. 
Thanks!


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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 13:46, Mike Brasch wrote:


On 10 Feb 2015, at 13:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

You mean a shortcut to open the completion popup with all tags 
(without any characters entered)?


Yes. For me this would be enough. Mouse centric people might want to 
have a menu button (additionally).


I just realized that the default OS key for this already works. Try 
hitting F5. (Escape is also used for completions, but that won't work 
here since it's used for closing the tag editor.)


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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 13:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

You mean a shortcut to open the completion popup with all tags 
(without any characters entered)?


Yes. For me this would be enough. Mouse centric people might want to 
have a menu button (additionally).


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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 13:20, Mike Brasch wrote:

Int the tag editor I'm missing a contextmenu (triggered by keystroke) 
to look for a specific tag. Currently I use tags (display name) 
beginning with _ (underscore) to get such a list. In the settings I 
use a mapping like _atag to atag.


You mean a shortcut to open the completion popup with all tags (without 
any characters entered)?


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Re: [MlMt] Problems with sending markdown

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 11:47, Mike Brasch wrote:


I have just looked into the raw mail and saw:

```
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
```

What is going wrong here? Should I set up Mailmate completely new?


It's an annoying problem with the Mailman mailing list software. It 
strips the markdown parameter for plain text messages. Interestingly, it 
doesn't happen for the plain text body part of an HTML message. I've 
been meaning to patch it, but at this point it's probably more likely 
that I'll switch mailing list software. I've got my eyes on 
[groupserver](http://groupserver.org) and 
[groups.io](https://groups.io).


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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 12:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Make sure you clear the “Mailbox name format” in the 
“Submailboxes” pane. It's a bit subtle to make this work correctly 
(because of the multiple values), but I think the above is a sign that 
you have the “wrong” format string.


Aaaah, great. :-) That was the problem. I did this many months before 
after a tip to solve a specific problem (no idea what it was:-)).


In this context a little feature request (or should I open a ticket?):

Int the tag editor I'm missing a contextmenu (triggered by keystroke) to 
look for a specific tag. Currently I use tags (display name) beginning 
with _ (underscore) to get such a list. In the settings I use a mapping 
like _atag to atag.


(I don't use real display names, like "To be answered", because in older 
versions of Mailmate I wasn't able to display this in subfolders.)



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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 11:25, Mike Brasch wrote:


I would expect to 2 subfolders:

- "important" with MailB and MailC
- "workinprogress" with MailA and MailC

Instead I get to subfolders:

- "important workinprogress" with MailB and MailC
- "workinprogress" with MailA and MailC


Make sure you clear the “Mailbox name format” in the 
“Submailboxes” pane. It's a bit subtle to make this work correctly 
(because of the multiple values), but I think the above is a sign that 
you have the “wrong” format string.


I'll note to look into the dynamic updating of the mailbox names when 
adding/removing tags. I guess it's not unlikely that bugs are lurking in 
this area. Note: Instead of restarting I'm pretty sure you can just 
disable/enable submailboxes.


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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

Hmm… I just saw that the need to restart to update the smart 
subfolders is not always nessessary. I tagged another mail with a new 
tag and for this tag the corresponding subfolder apperared immediately 
with correct name. But if I set another tag (one out of my previous 
example) to this mail, it is "sorted" into one of the already existing 
(wrongly named) subfolders and the new one dissapears.


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Re: [MlMt] Problems with sending markdown

[Mike Brasch]

In this case I have the options to show "plain text", "markdown" and 
"convert markdown to HTML". The content is also not a binary blob.


Maybe there is a problem with markdown-only mails?

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[MlMt] Problems with sending markdown

[Mike Brasch]

H… I just saw some anomalies in my last posting to this list (Tags 
and Submailboxes).


Why is my posting (which I got from list server) shown in plain text 
instead of markdown? I also don't have the options (in View -> Message 
Body Parts) to switch between "plain text" and "markdown" (they are not 
shown). Another mails from this list with markdown have these options. 
"Convert markdown to html" is also not available for my posting.


I have just looked into the raw mail and saw:

```
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
```

The other markdown mails I received are:

```
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_MailMate_A20D5F45-0497-4AA3-8092-8CD6D6B61F9D_="


--=_MailMate_A20D5F45-0497-4AA3-8092-8CD6D6B61F9D_=
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
.
.
.
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
```

What is going wrong here? Should I set up Mailmate completely new?



(In this mail I switched on "generate HTML body part)

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[MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

I'm using the latest 64bit version of Mailmate. I have a little issue 
with the subfolders of my smart folder "Tags". It is set up as 
recommended in the latest release notes. If I have 3 mails with tags:


  - MailA with "workinprogress"
  - MailB with "important"
  - MailC with "important" and "workinprogress" (in this order).

I would expect to 2 subfolders:

  - "important" with MailB and MailC
  - "workinprogress" with MailA and MailC

Instead I get to subfolders:

  - "important workinprogress" with MailB and MailC
  - "workinprogress" with MailA and MailC

The mails shown in each subfolder are correct but the subfolder 
"important workinprogress" should be named "important"


I haven't already tested it with more mails and more tags.


And in general I have the problem that the smart folders are not updated 
until restart of Mailmate. If I tag another mail with a third tag, the 
corresponding subfolder for this tag is only shown after a restart.


.
.
.

I have just done another test:

  - MailD with "important", "tobeanswered" and "workinprogress"

expected:

  - "important" with MailB, MailC and MailD
  - "workinprogress" with MailA, MailC and MailD
  - "tobeanswered" with MailD

after the needed restart to update the subfolders:

  - "important tobeanswered workinprogress" with MailA, MailC and MailD
  - "important tobeanswered workinprogress" with MailD
  - "important tobeanswered workinprogress" with MailB, MailC and MailD

As before, the mails itself are "sorted" correctly but the subfolder 
names are wrong.


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