Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread John Purnell

Steve Losh eloquently puts forward the case for 2 spaces:

http://stevelosh.com/blog/2012/10/why-i-two-space/


On 2015-06-08, at 05:54 +0200, Ben Klebe  wrote:

No, he’s saying that when the practice began doesn’t matter 
because it’s not part of 21st century typography.



Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Eric A. Meyer  
wrote:



I'll offer my own but of insight: Butterick is right that it doesn't
matter.  I just wish he and those who follow his view would take that
advice to heart, and stop demonstrating to all and sundry that it 
really

does matter to them.
On 7 Jun 2015, at 23:21, Ben Klebe wrote:
I can only offer this shrewd bit of insight from Matthew 
Butterick’s

excellent Practical Typography:
http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html




"I know that many peo­ple were taught to put two spaces be­tween
sen­tences. I was too. But these days, us­ing two spaces is an
ob­so­lete habit. Some say the habit orig­i­nated in the
type­writer era. Oth­ers be­lieve it be­gan ear­lier. But guess
what? It doesn’t mat­ter. Be­cause ei­ther way, it’s not part
of to­day’s ty­po­graphic prac­tice."


Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Gary Hull 
wrote:


On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:

On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:


On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:

The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change 
it,

go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck
“Correct
spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate
this
behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a
period?


Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:


…he said, and then wrenched the can open further.

You noticed that, huh? :-)

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html

Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with
manual monospace typewriters.


You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not 
a

quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but
has
literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:

http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324

I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead
type
from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the
traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that
are
only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic
designer in a shop that went through the whole range of
phototypography
from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic 
machines

to
Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to
mention
IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on
9-to-the-em grids.
The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors
what
to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions 
are

made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and
the
particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has 
been
taken over by the combination of the type designer and the 
particular
system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which 
has

all
sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence
built
into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or
digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force
design
factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish
bloggers
have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer 
made

of
lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively 
kern

without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type
looks
today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the
best
of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books
just
look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as
historical
objects.
At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days
have
regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like
initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ 
or

the
like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double 
spaces

into print at a proper publisher.
There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a
bit
before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many
academic and scientific publications, published photographically
reduced
typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not
available
yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style
that
writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double
spacing"
(two returns on the typewriter), the width of margins, the number 
of

lines per page, manual justification (with double spaces to
accomplish
that, or half spaces, which some typewriters could handle, such as
some
Olympias), and so on. Universities had typing pools that could
produce
such manuscripts: They functioned as the

Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Gary Hull

On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:


On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:


On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:

The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it, 
go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck “Correct 
spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate this 
behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a 
period?


Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:


…he said, and then wrenched the can open further.


You noticed that, huh? :-)


http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html

Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with 
manual monospace typewriters.


You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not a 
quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but has 
literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:


http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324


I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead type 
from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the 
traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that are 
only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic 
designer in a shop that went through the whole range of phototypography 
from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic machines to 
Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to mention 
IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on 
9-to-the-em grids.


The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors what 
to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions are 
made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and the 
particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has been 
taken over by the combination of the type designer and the particular 
system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which has all 
sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence built 
into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or 
digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force design 
factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish bloggers 
have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer made of 
lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively kern 
without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type looks 
today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the best 
of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books just 
look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as historical 
objects.


At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days have 
regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like 
initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ or the 
like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double spaces 
into print at a proper publisher.


There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a bit 
before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many 
academic and scientific publications, published photographically reduced 
typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not available 
yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style that 
writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double spacing" 
(two returns on the typewriter), the width of margins, the number of 
lines per page, manual justification (with double spaces to accomplish 
that, or half spaces, which some typewriters could handle, such as some 
Olympias), and so on. Universities had typing pools that could produce 
such manuscripts: They functioned as the typetting departments of these 
low-budget journals. In such manuscripts double spacing was often used 
after periods and other sentence-final punctuation, and then after other 
words if necessary to justify the text. People who learned typing in 
that era tended to use textbooks that specified double spacing. They 
were in effect learning half-assed typesetting. The factors that lead to 
that style no longer exist.

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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Ben Klebe
No, he’s saying that when the practice began doesn’t matter because it’s not 
part of 21st century typography.


Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Eric A. Meyer  wrote:

> I'll offer my own but of insight: Butterick is right that it doesn't 
> matter.  I just wish he and those who follow his view would take that 
> advice to heart, and stop demonstrating to all and sundry that it really 
> does matter to them.
> On 7 Jun 2015, at 23:21, Ben Klebe wrote:
>> I can only offer this shrewd bit of insight from Matthew Butterick’s 
>> excellent Practical Typography: 
>> http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "I know that many peo­ple were taught to put two spaces be­tween 
>> sen­tences. I was too. But these days, us­ing two spaces is an 
>> ob­so­lete habit. Some say the habit orig­i­nated in the 
>> type­writer era. Oth­ers be­lieve it be­gan ear­lier. But guess 
>> what? It doesn’t mat­ter. Be­cause ei­ther way, it’s not part 
>> of to­day’s ty­po­graphic prac­tice."
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>> Ben Klebe
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Gary Hull  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
 On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:

> On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:
>
>> The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it,
>> go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck 
>> “Correct
>> spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate 
>> this
>> behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a
>> period?
>
> Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:

 …he said, and then wrenched the can open further.
>>> You noticed that, huh? :-)
> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html
>
> Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with
> manual monospace typewriters.

 You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not a
 quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but 
 has
 literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:

 http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
>>> I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead 
>>> type
>>> from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the
>>> traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that 
>>> are
>>> only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic
>>> designer in a shop that went through the whole range of 
>>> phototypography
>>> from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic machines 
>>> to
>>> Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to 
>>> mention
>>> IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on
>>> 9-to-the-em grids.
>>> The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors 
>>> what
>>> to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions are
>>> made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and 
>>> the
>>> particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has been
>>> taken over by the combination of the type designer and the particular
>>> system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which has 
>>> all
>>> sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence 
>>> built
>>> into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or
>>> digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force 
>>> design
>>> factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish 
>>> bloggers
>>> have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer made 
>>> of
>>> lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively kern
>>> without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type 
>>> looks
>>> today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the 
>>> best
>>> of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books 
>>> just
>>> look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as 
>>> historical
>>> objects.
>>> At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days 
>>> have
>>> regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like
>>> initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ or 
>>> the
>>> like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double spaces
>>> into print at a proper publisher.
>>> There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a 
>>> bit
>>> before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many
>>> academic and scientific publications, published photographically 
>>> reduced
>>> typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not 
>>> available
>>> yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style 
>>> that
>>> writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double 
>>> spacing"
>>> (two returns on the ty

Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Eric A. Meyer
I'll offer my own but of insight: Butterick is right that it doesn't 
matter.  I just wish he and those who follow his view would take that 
advice to heart, and stop demonstrating to all and sundry that it really 
does matter to them.



On 7 Jun 2015, at 23:21, Ben Klebe wrote:

I can only offer this shrewd bit of insight from Matthew Butterick’s 
excellent Practical Typography: 
http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html





"I know that many peo­ple were taught to put two spaces be­tween 
sen­tences. I was too. But these days, us­ing two spaces is an 
ob­so­lete habit. Some say the habit orig­i­nated in the 
type­writer era. Oth­ers be­lieve it be­gan ear­lier. But guess 
what? It doesn’t mat­ter. Be­cause ei­ther way, it’s not part 
of to­day’s ty­po­graphic prac­tice."



Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Gary Hull  
wrote:



On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:

On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:


On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:


The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it,
go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck 
“Correct
spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate 
this

behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a
period?


Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:


…he said, and then wrenched the can open further.

You noticed that, huh? :-)

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html

Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with
manual monospace typewriters.


You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not a
quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but 
has

literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:

http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead 
type

from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the
traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that 
are

only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic
designer in a shop that went through the whole range of 
phototypography
from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic machines 
to
Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to 
mention

IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on
9-to-the-em grids.
The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors 
what

to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions are
made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and 
the

particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has been
taken over by the combination of the type designer and the particular
system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which has 
all
sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence 
built

into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or
digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force 
design
factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish 
bloggers
have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer made 
of

lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively kern
without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type 
looks
today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the 
best
of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books 
just
look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as 
historical

objects.
At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days 
have

regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like
initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ or 
the

like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double spaces
into print at a proper publisher.
There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a 
bit

before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many
academic and scientific publications, published photographically 
reduced
typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not 
available
yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style 
that
writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double 
spacing"

(two returns on the typewriter), the width of margins, the number of
lines per page, manual justification (with double spaces to 
accomplish
that, or half spaces, which some typewriters could handle, such as 
some
Olympias), and so on. Universities had typing pools that could 
produce
such manuscripts: They functioned as the typetting departments of 
these
low-budget journals. In such manuscripts double spacing was often 
used
after periods and other sentence-final punctuation, and then after 
other

words if necessary to justify the text. People who learned typing in
that era tended to use textbooks that specified double spacing. They
were in

Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Eric A. Meyer

On 7 Jun 2015, at 23:11, Gary Hull wrote:

At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days have 
regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like 
initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ or 
the like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double 
spaces into print at a proper publisher.


Oh, I know, and I actually don't care; I write the way that works for 
me, and have no problem with those who write (or publish) the way that 
works for them.  What bugs me is the relentless "you're doing it wrong, 
you silly fools" from people who don't appear to know much about the 
very long history of typesetting.  I don't go around telling people 
they're wrong to use a single space, and I'd appreciate a similar 
courtesy from those who do.



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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Ben Klebe
I can only offer this shrewd bit of insight from Matthew Butterick’s excellent 
Practical Typography: 
http://practicaltypography.com/one-space-between-sentences.html




"I know that many peo­ple were taught to put two spaces be­tween sen­tences. I 
was too. But these days, us­ing two spaces is an ob­so­lete habit. Some say the 
habit orig­i­nated in the type­writer era. Oth­ers be­lieve it be­gan ear­lier. 
But guess what? It doesn’t mat­ter. Be­cause ei­ther way, it’s not part of 
to­day’s ty­po­graphic prac­tice."


Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Gary Hull  wrote:

> On 8 Jun 2015, at 9:40, Eric A. Meyer wrote:
>> On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:
>>
>>> On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:
>>>
 The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it, 
 go to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck “Correct 
 spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate this 
 behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a 
 period?
>>>
>>> Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:
>>
>> …he said, and then wrenched the can open further.
> You noticed that, huh? :-)
>>> http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html
>>>
>>> Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with 
>>> manual monospace typewriters.
>>
>> You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not a 
>> quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but has 
>> literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:
>>
>> http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324
> I worked in my middle school's print shop for a year setting lead type 
> from a California case and redistributing the pi, so I know the 
> traditions, and have read all the old pre-ITC typography books that are 
> only available on ABE.com these days. I later worked as a graphic 
> designer in a shop that went through the whole range of phototypography 
> from hand-spaced display type to self-contained Compugraphic machines to 
> Agfa-Compugraphic front-ends to Postscript imagesetters. Not to mention 
> IBM Selectric Composers with Adrian Frutiger-designed fonts on 
> 9-to-the-em grids.
> The point of books written for compositors is to teach compositors what 
> to do. Writers didn't typeset their own books. Spacing decisions are 
> made by the compositor, based on the font in use, the leading, and the 
> particular letter pair. Today the function of the compositor has been 
> taken over by the combination of the type designer and the particular 
> system in which the font is realized (such as Postscript), which has all 
> sorts of intelligence built into it, and additional intelligence built 
> into the publishing software that drives the output (imagesetter or 
> digital display). Again, the writer shouldn't be trying to force design 
> factors like that in his manuscript (although click-to-publish bloggers 
> have to assume some design responsibility). Fonts are no longer made of 
> lead, you can kern without brass spacers, and you can negatively kern 
> without filing off the lead corners of the font. The way that type looks 
> today is the way that skilled typographers want it to work, and the best 
> of them have simply better taste than the past masters. Old books just 
> look blotchy to modern eyes, although they are beautiful as historical 
> objects.
> At any rate, double spacer should know that publishers these days have 
> regex routines that manuscripts get run through, fixing things like 
> initial and trailing spaces and high-bit ASCII, and that /\w+/\w/ or the 
> like is built into such routines. So good luck getting double spaces 
> into print at a proper publisher.
> There was a period, I'll say mostly in the 1960s, 1970s, but also a bit 
> before and after, when many low-budget publications, including many 
> academic and scientific publications, published photographically reduced 
> typed manuscripts. In other words, cheap typesetting was not available 
> yet, and they couldn't afford typesetting. In these cases the style that 
> writers had to follow specified "Elite" or "Courier," "double spacing" 
> (two returns on the typewriter), the width of margins, the number of 
> lines per page, manual justification (with double spaces to accomplish 
> that, or half spaces, which some typewriters could handle, such as some 
> Olympias), and so on. Universities had typing pools that could produce 
> such manuscripts: They functioned as the typetting departments of these 
> low-budget journals. In such manuscripts double spacing was often used 
> after periods and other sentence-final punctuation, and then after other 
> words if necessary to justify the text. People who learned typing in 
> that era tended to use textbooks that specified double spacing. They 
> were in effect learning half-assed typesetting. The factors that lead to 
> that style no longer exist.
> 

[MlMt] SubjectCopying messages

2015-06-07 Thread Pascal Felber

Hi,

I might be missing something obvious, but how can I copy a message to an 
IMAP mailbox (vs. just moving it)? I found the selector (copyToMailbox:) 
but it seems there is no default menu item nor documented shortcut. I'd 
like to avoid having to use the mouse and option-dragging.


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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Gary Hull

On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:

The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it, go 
to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck “Correct 
spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate this 
behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a period?


Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html

Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with manual 
monospace typewriters.


I loved the way that the DTP program FrameMaker simply refused to allow 
two sequential spaces (although you could override it in the 
preferences). In theory HTML won't allow it, and combines sequential 
into one space, but Microsoft programs get around that using some sort 
of weird ASCII fixed space character next to a normal space character.

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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Eric A. Meyer

On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:16, Gary Hull wrote:


On 8 Jun 2015, at 2:44, Ben Klebe wrote:

The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it, go 
to System Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck “Correct 
spelling automatically.” Strangely though I can’t replicate this 
behavior and furthermore why would you want two spaces after a 
period?


Please don't open that can of worms on the mailing list!:


…he said, and then wrenched the can open further.


http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html

Although I agree: two spaces after a period should have died with 
manual monospace typewriters.


You and Manjoo are wrong: the wider post-sentence spacing was not a 
quirky, transient artifact of typewriters or monospace fonts, but has 
literal centuries of precedent and tradition behind it:


http://www.heracliteanriver.com/?p=324


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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Thomas Floeren

> On 7 Jun 2015, at 20:02, Alan Goldsmith  wrote:
> 
> Yes, was composing in Markdown.  I like two spaces after a period, though I 
> know it's not the standard anymore.


I guess, what you effectively want is a wider space than normal. IMO typing two 
normal spaces is not the adequate method to achieve this (except if typing on a 
typewriter).

In Unicode you have plenty of different [spaces][1] at your disposal. A normal 
space is similar to a four-per-em space; so I would use either a three-per-em 
space (U+2004) or an en space (U+2002).

To make the text entry more comfortable, you could …

- assign an abbreviation (e.g. ".␣␣" --> ". ") in any of the text expanding 
utilities (e.g. [Typinator][2] is very good)
- assign the desired space character directly to a key, by modifying your 
keyboard layout (e.g. with [Ukelele][3])


--  
Tom


[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character
[2]: http://www.ergonis.com/products/typinator/
[3]: http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&id=ukelele



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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Alan Goldsmith
Yes, was composing in Markdown.  I like two spaces after a period, though I
know it's not the standard anymore.

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Ben Klebe  wrote:

> Oh I guess OP is not composing in plain text? My apologies.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ben Klebe
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>> Using the composer's plain text mode seems to be one way. As can be
>> seen here. Two spaces.
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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Ben Klebe
Oh I guess OP is not composing in plain text? My apologies.

Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Billy Youdelman  wrote:

> Using the composer's plain text mode seems to be one way.  As can be 
> seen here.  Two spaces.
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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Billy Youdelman
Using the composer's plain text mode seems to be one way.  As can be 
seen here.  Two spaces.


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Re: [MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Ben Klebe
The autocorrect is system-wide in Cocoa text fields. To change it, go to System 
Preferences -> Keyboard -> Text and uncheck “Correct spelling automatically.” 
Strangely though I can’t replicate this behavior and furthermore why would you 
want two spaces after a period?

Sincerely,


Ben Klebe

On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Alan Goldsmith 
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[MlMt] Any way to prevent auto-correcting two spaces after a period to one?

2015-06-07 Thread Alan Goldsmith

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