[MlMt] Does mailmate know when I last read/opened mail?

2016-06-26 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
Hi,

Does mailmate by any chance keep track on when a mail was read/opened last ?

Wondering if I could use it to archive/delete threads in which no email been 
open/read by me the last three months :)

/max

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Re: [MlMt] Does mailmate know when I last read/opened mail?

2016-06-26 Thread Charlie Allom
something something filename + mtime? 

 It could be a great addition to a workflow. I miss the Old vs New vs Seen 
differences in mutt. Old was state kept in the headercache iirc. New and Seen 
were Maildir++ suffixes 

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Subject: [MlMt] Does mailmate know when I last read/opened mail?

> Hi,
> 
> Does mailmate by any chance keep track on when a mail was read/opened last ?
> 
> Wondering if I could use it to archive/delete threads in which no email been 
> open/read by me the last three months :)
> 
> /max 
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[MlMt] different markup language plugin?

2016-06-26 Thread Charlie Allom
Can I replace Markdown with a self-made plugin for another markup 
language? Just the same output styles is sufficient.


I’d like to use the JIRA markup language, for the sake of my brain 
having to remember one set of rules.


Is it a case of modifying 
https://github.com/vmg/sundown/blob/master/src/markdown.c and replacing 
it in `/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown`?


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 25 Jun 2016, at 16:37, John Cooper wrote:

I read again and again that MailMate uses the Sent folder to keep 
track of addresses, but I never have any messages in my Sent folder, 
and it still seems to do just fine. For example, it automatically used 
my mailmate address when I composed this message, although I only use 
it for messages to the list, and the address doesn't appear in the To: 
line of the message I'm replying to. If I'm missing any sort of 
functionality by not using my Sent folder, I can't tell what it is.


If your Sent Messages mailbox is empty then MailMate only looks in 
Contacts when doing completions. (At least this is the default 
behavior.)


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 25 Jun 2016, at 17:47, aisrael wrote:

Is there a way that the app could remember every address it sees, 
whether received or sent?


No, you can specify a different mailbox (than Sent Messages) to be used 
as the “source” for completions, but MailMate would still only look 
at the recipient headers. I could make that optional though...


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 25 Jun 2016, at 19:51, aisrael wrote:

The same Address Panel on my system shows all the entries in my OS X 
Contacts, including those imported
from my phone which have just a name and phone number, no email 
address.


Does it show anything else, that would come from your Sent folder?


The panel only shows addresses which are present in Contacts (the 
address book). It's handled by OS X and MailMate has no influence on the 
entries in this panel.


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread aisrael


If your Sent Messages mailbox is empty then MailMate only looks in 
Contacts when doing completions. (At least this is the default 
behavior.)



On 25 Jun 2016, at 17:47, aisrael wrote:

Is there a way that the app could remember every address it sees, 
whether received or sent?


No, you can specify a different mailbox (than Sent Messages) to be 
used as the “source” for completions, but MailMate would still 
only look at the recipient headers. I could make that optional 
though...




How can I specify a different mailbox? And how can I modify the default 
behavior? For example is it possible to create a smart mailbox that 
would contain whatever is specified by a set of Rules, and instruct MM 
to use that mailbox as a source for completions?


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Re: [MlMt] Alternate row colors

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 26 Jun 2016, at 3:47, Harvey Leff wrote:

In Preferences/Viewer, I have checked "Alternate row colors" for the 
message outline, but no colors show in the message list. Is there 
another setting that must be turned on to get colors? Thanks.


No, that should work and it should update immediately when toggling THE 
setting. It looks like this on OS X 10.11:


![](cid:ACB0E954-A9C8-4E9C-883A-6EDE3DC5CFE5@freron.com 
"PastedImage.png")


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Re: [MlMt] Does mailmate know when I last read/opened mail?

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 26 Jun 2016, at 12:14, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

Does mailmate by any chance keep track on when a mail was read/opened 
last ?


Wondering if I could use it to archive/delete threads in which no 
email been open/read by me the last three months :)


I don't guarantee it'll work, but you could try the virtual header 
“Date-Last-Viewed”.


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 26 Jun 2016, at 16:34, aisrael wrote:

How can I specify a different mailbox? And how can I modify the 
default behavior? For example is it possible to create a smart mailbox 
that would contain whatever is specified by a set of Rules, and 
instruct MM to use that mailbox as a source for completions?


Yes, that's exactly what's possible, but MailMate would still only look 
at the recipient headers of those emails (to, cc). But I'm willing to 
make that optional if you find it useful.


Look here for information about 
[`MmAddressCompletionMailbox`](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#sending).


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread aisrael





How can I specify a different mailbox? And how can I modify the 
default behavior? For example is it possible to create a smart 
mailbox that would contain whatever is specified by a set of Rules, 
and instruct MM to use that mailbox as a source for completions?


Yes, that's exactly what's possible, but MailMate would still only 
look at the recipient headers of those emails (to, cc). But I'm 
willing to make that optional if you find it useful.


I would find it useful, but if I am the only one, then I guess you have 
more important improvements to implement. I am not sure how much extra 
work it involves.




Look here for information about 
[`MmAddressCompletionMailbox`](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#sending).


I have read that, but I can’t figure out how I specify a different 
mailbox.


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Re: [MlMt] different markup language plugin?

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 26 Jun 2016, at 12:44, Charlie Allom wrote:

Can I replace Markdown with a self-made plugin for another markup 
language? Just the same output styles is sufficient.


You can, but you shouldn't.

Markdown is perfect for emails since it is based on email tradition. In 
other words, even if Markdown is not converted to HTML then it's 
(mostly) readable. MailMate marks outgoing emails as being based on 
Markdown and MailMate itself uses this to be smarter when 
replying/forwarding such emails. It would be quite bad if something is 
marked as Markdown when it isn't.


Technically, MailMate currently heavily relies on exactly how the 
Markdown is generated, but this could probably be solved. When/if it is 
then I could probably allow custom Markdown converters or even other 
markup languages. It's not at the top of my list though.


Slightly off topic, I'm strongly considering switching from `sundown` to 
`CommonMark`, but the latter does not support any kind of tables. I'll 
be interested if anyone has a solution to this problem. It might 
actually be best if MailMate handles it similarly to how it handles math 
and syntax highlighted segments. In other words, HTML table generation 
could be handled separately from the Markdown conversion (also allowing 
more than 1 table format). Well, just thinking out loud.


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Re: [MlMt] Editing learned recipients.

2016-06-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 26 Jun 2016, at 16:45, aisrael wrote:

Yes, that's exactly what's possible, but MailMate would still only 
look at the recipient headers of those emails (to, cc). But I'm 
willing to make that optional if you find it useful.


I would find it useful, but if I am the only one, then I guess you 
have more important improvements to implement. I am not sure how much 
extra work it involves.


I'm pretty sure it's very simple (at least as a hidden preference). I'll 
look into it.


Look here for information about 
[`MmAddressCompletionMailbox`](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences#sending).


I have read that, but I can’t figure out how I specify a different 
mailbox.


Sorry, I should have mentioned that. Simply select the smart mailbox in 
the mailbox list and hit ⌘C to put the mailbox UUID on the pasteboard 
(it's not always an actual UUID, but it's a unique identifier for the 
mailbox).


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Re: [MlMt] Alternate row colors

2016-06-26 Thread Howard Wettstein

You need to toggle the setting to make it work. Not sure why.

Howard Wettstein


On 26 Jun 2016, at 7:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 26 Jun 2016, at 3:47, Harvey Leff wrote:

In Preferences/Viewer, I have checked "Alternate row colors" for the 
message outline, but no colors show in the message list. Is there 
another setting that must be turned on to get colors? Thanks.


No, that should work and it should update immediately when toggling 
THE setting. It looks like this on OS X 10.11:


![](cid:ACB0E954-A9C8-4E9C-883A-6EDE3DC5CFE5@freron.com 
"PastedImage.png")


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Re: [MlMt] different markup language plugin?

2016-06-26 Thread Howard Wettstein
We appreciate the thinking out loud, even when we don’t know enough of 
the technical material to fully follow.

Howie




On 26 Jun 2016, at 7:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 26 Jun 2016, at 12:44, Charlie Allom wrote:

Can I replace Markdown with a self-made plugin for another markup 
language? Just the same output styles is sufficient.


You can, but you shouldn't.

Markdown is perfect for emails since it is based on email tradition. 
In other words, even if Markdown is not converted to HTML then it's 
(mostly) readable. MailMate marks outgoing emails as being based on 
Markdown and MailMate itself uses this to be smarter when 
replying/forwarding such emails. It would be quite bad if something is 
marked as Markdown when it isn't.


Technically, MailMate currently heavily relies on exactly how the 
Markdown is generated, but this could probably be solved. When/if it 
is then I could probably allow custom Markdown converters or even 
other markup languages. It's not at the top of my list though.


Slightly off topic, I'm strongly considering switching from `sundown` 
to `CommonMark`, but the latter does not support any kind of tables. 
I'll be interested if anyone has a solution to this problem. It might 
actually be best if MailMate handles it similarly to how it handles 
math and syntax highlighted segments. In other words, HTML table 
generation could be handled separately from the Markdown conversion 
(also allowing more than 1 table format). Well, just thinking out 
loud.


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[MlMt] help with smart folders

2016-06-26 Thread Howard Wettstein
I want to work on mastering this. It’s obviously very powerful. but I 
don’t understand the various options in the drop down lists. I take it 
that a lot this is standard jargon. Is there a place I can look for a 
sort of translation manual, an explanation of the jargon? I don’t mean 
“in Mailmate” or its manual. I mean in general.


Thanks.
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Re: [MlMt] different markup language plugin?

2016-06-26 Thread Charlie Allom

On 26 Jun 2016, at 15:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 26 Jun 2016, at 12:44, Charlie Allom wrote:

Can I replace Markdown with a self-made plugin for another markup 
language? Just the same output styles is sufficient.


Markdown is perfect for emails since it is based on email tradition. 
In other words, even if Markdown is not converted to HTML then it's 
(mostly) readable. MailMate marks outgoing emails as being based on 
Markdown and MailMate itself uses this to be smarter when 
replying/forwarding such emails. It would be quite bad if something is 
marked as Markdown when it isn't.


Thank you for the considered reply.

I hadn’t realised this!

What I had come up with was [`j2m`](https://github.com/FokkeZB/J2M) in 
front of the `sundown` conversion, first, so as not to upset the 
MailMate workflow. It converts JIRA to Markdown, so I can keep ~one 
method in my brain. (yes github markdown for now).


I had something in mind like replacing 
`/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown` with a 
script that piped my JIRA-style md through `j2m` to a github-style md.. 
which was then picked up by the real `sundown` binary, just by piping 
them through each other. If that worked I’d write my own `j2m` style 
pipe script that wasn’t github specific.


It isn’t working.

If I replace the `sundown` binary with this script, the composing window 
immediately loses it’s HTML preview. I can’t find out how to get 
debug logs to find out what MlMt is expecting or erroring on :)



~~~bash
 #!/bin/bash
cat | /usr/local/bin/j2m -m --stdin | /Users/charlie/bin/sundown
~~~

In the shell it works:

~~~
% echo '{{pre}} and `pre`' | 
/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/bin/sundown

pre and pre
~~~

Slightly off topic, I'm strongly considering switching from `sundown` 
to `CommonMark`, but the latter does not support any kind of tables. 
I'll be interested if anyone has a solution to this problem.


How about https://github.com/hoedown/hoedown ?

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