Re: [MlMt] Updating account information made MailMate (re)download *all* email

[Adam Liter]

Now, it looks like this should be ok with FastMail, but then it seems 
something else happened. The redownloading of emails indicate that 
the `UIDVALIDITY` value changed of each mailbox. Each email is 
uniquely identified using the `UIDVALIDITY` of the mailbox and the 
`UID` of the message. If the `UIDVALIDITY` value of a mailbox changes 
then MailMate MUST delete its local cache of emails and then fetch 
the “new” messages of the mailbox. There is no way to tell 
MailMate to ignore `UIDVALIDITY` changes.


Hmm, MailMate should also warn you when the latter happens which 
makes me think that this might be a MailMate bug after all. I have a 
FastMail test account and I'll note to test what happens when I do as 
you describe. Sorry about the inconvenience if this turns out to be a 
bug.




I did not see any other warnings besides that first one.


For what it's worth (probably not much), this just happened to me with 
iOS Mail. I updated to iOS 10 last night. So perhaps it is more of a 
FastMail problem, rather than a MailMate problem? Note that I haven't 
set up 2FA with FastMail, however. So I'm not really sure how 
helpful/relevant this anecdote is.


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[MlMt] Message window view shortcuts

[John Cooper]

When a message window is open, the View > Layout submenu includes 
**Show/Hide Preview** and **Show/Hide Tips**. However, the keyboard 
shortcuts that appear in the menu beside these items don't function.


These keyboard shortcuts (control-option-command-P and 
control-option-command-T) aren't assigned to any other functions in the 
Keyboard control panel or in my macro program (Keyboard Maestro).


But when I assign the menu items new shortcuts in the Keyboard control 
panel (control-option-P and control-option-T) the new shortcuts work.


Because I've found a workaround, this is only a heads-up so that other 
users can confirm it and Benny registers it as a bug.


If I'm the only user who experiences it...I'm stumped.
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Rob Willett]

John,

Sadly, thats a fact of life for some people. We live in London and 
people want their stuff at work and can’t access their home email from 
work, banking issues etc etc. No issues with getting mail at work as 
thats logged, they don’t like people having access to things they 
can’t log. Anyway thats what I’m told.


Rob

On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:09, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:


On 14 Sep 2016, at 9:50, Rob Willett wrote:

The list is dynamic, parents change jobs (and email addresses), 
ISP’s, kids leave, new kids join. At the moment I have an Excel 
spreadsheet which I can cut and paste, but thats not a good solution 
as its a multiple step process. The Contacts app *should* do this but 
somebody at Apple decided to limit group contacts to a single email 
address.


One of the things in MM that makes this more difficult is that, unlike 
in Mail.app, when you click on an address in the to: field, you 
don’t have the option of switching to another of that card’s 
addresses.


PS If you have to update a list, the Text Expander option isn’t any 
more difficult than a spreadsheet. But Thomas seems to have the right 
idea: Contacts does allow this, even if it’s an ugly interface. :-) 
Not sure you can have two addresses for one person though, but that 
would not be a negative for me. Who wants to get two copies of the 
same thing? :-)


John
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[John D. Muccigrosso]

On 14 Sep 2016, at 9:50, Rob Willett wrote:

The list is dynamic, parents change jobs (and email addresses), 
ISP’s, kids leave, new kids join. At the moment I have an Excel 
spreadsheet which I can cut and paste, but thats not a good solution 
as its a multiple step process. The Contacts app *should* do this but 
somebody at Apple decided to limit group contacts to a single email 
address.


One of the things in MM that makes this more difficult is that, unlike 
in Mail.app, when you click on an address in the to: field, you don’t 
have the option of switching to another of that card’s addresses.


PS If you have to update a list, the Text Expander option isn’t any 
more difficult than a spreadsheet. But Thomas seems to have the right 
idea: Contacts does allow this, even if it’s an ugly interface. :-) 
Not sure you can have two addresses for one person though, but that 
would not be a negative for me. Who wants to get two copies of the same 
thing? :-)


John
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Rob Willett]

Thomas,

OK, I knew about the distribution list but hadn’t realised that 
different groups could select different primary email addresses. I want 
one group to send to multiple email addresses but could do this by 
setting up as many groups as there are maximum number of email 
addresses.


So the first email address would be in group1 (this would send email to 
email1), anybody with a second email address would be in group2 (this 
would send to their email2 address) and anybody with a third email 
address would be in group3. Clearly the numbers would significantly 
diminish over the groups.


I’ll have a try.

Thanks

Rob

On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:01, Thomas Eckhold wrote:


Rob,

You **can** select between different email addresses of one vCard.

In Contacts: Go to the „Edit“ menu and select „Edit Distribution 
List“


There you will find a list with all available groups and for each 
group a list of associated contacts with **all** of their email 
addresses. Now you can select the email address of a group member 
which will be used if you send an email to this group. Different 
groups can use different email addresses of one and the same contact. 
No multiple vCards needed.


--Thomas




On 14 Sep 2016, at 15:54, Rob Willett wrote:


Thomas,

I *think* this only works if you create multiple cards per person, 
which is what we are trying to avoid There are options to play with 
smart groups to get similar to this but the selection criteria is not 
granular enough, e.g. you can’t select on second email address.


is that what you mean?

Rob

On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:31, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get 
around the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to 
have a single entry with multiple emails addresses.


I have created multiple contact groups in Contacts, e.g. one for the 
private email addresses and one for the work email addresses. The 
distribution list of a group in Contacts allows me to change between 
the different email addresses of a contact. That allows me to stick 
with one vCard per person but allows me to switch between the 
contact groups (or send to all groups at once). In addition I have 
better control which email addresses are actually used when I send 
an email to a specific group.


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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Rob Willett]

Thomas,

I *think* this only works if you create multiple cards per person, which 
is what we are trying to avoid There are options to play with smart 
groups to get similar to this but the selection criteria is not granular 
enough, e.g. you can’t select on second email address.


is that what you mean?

Rob

On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:31, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around 
the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a 
single entry with multiple emails addresses.


I have created multiple contact groups in Contacts, e.g. one for the 
private email addresses and one for the work email addresses. The 
distribution list of a group in Contacts allows me to change between 
the different email addresses of a contact. That allows me to stick 
with one vCard per person but allows me to switch between the contact 
groups (or send to all groups at once). In addition I have better 
control which email addresses are actually used when I send an email 
to a specific group.


--Thomas
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Rob Willett]

The list is dynamic, parents change jobs (and email addresses), ISP’s, 
kids leave, new kids join. At the moment I have an Excel spreadsheet 
which I can cut and paste, but thats not a good solution as its a 
multiple step process. The Contacts app *should* do this but somebody at 
Apple decided to limit group contacts to a single email address.


Rob

On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:02, John Muccigrosso wrote:

Just setting it up manually the first time and then either copying and 
pasting that list or replying to the message won't do?


Or set up an AppleScript that has everyone's email in it.

(FWIW, this is exactly the kind of thing I would not want to receive 
multiple copies of, but my kids are old now. :-) )


John Muccigrosso

On Sep 14, 2016, at 02:31, Rob Willett 
 wrote:


Hi,

I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents 
which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email 
addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to 
both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. 
However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single 
email address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We 
have experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its 
not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that 
users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how 
many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always 
be enough :)


Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or 
would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that 
works with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user.


We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around 
the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a 
single entry with multiple emails addresses.


We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue.

Any suggestions please?

Rob
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Rob Willett]

Thanks, but kids come and go, parents also change jobs and e-mail 
addresses.


This solution works if nothing changes very often, sadly thats not the 
case.


Rob

On 14 Sep 2016, at 13:01, Annamarie wrote:

Well the way I would manage this is with Text Expander. I'd create a 
snippet with all the email addresses you want and voila! Never have to 
build the list again.


I do this lots with groups of emails.

My two cents.

Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)

On 14 Sep 2016, at 2:31, Rob Willett wrote:


Hi,

I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents 
which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email 
addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to 
both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. 
However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single 
email address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We 
have experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its 
not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that 
users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how 
many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always 
be enough :)


Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or 
would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that 
works with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user.


We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around 
the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a 
single entry with multiple emails addresses.


We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue.

Any suggestions please?

Rob
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[John D. Muccigrosso]

On 14 Sep 2016, at 8:01, Annamarie wrote:

Well the way I would manage this is with Text Expander. I'd create a 
snippet with all the email addresses you want and voila! Never have to 
build the list again.


I do this lots with groups of emails.


Great idea if you have Text Expander.

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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[John Muccigrosso]

Just setting it up manually the first time and then either copying and pasting 
that list or replying to the message won't do?

Or set up an AppleScript that has everyone's email in it.

(FWIW, this is exactly the kind of thing I would not want to receive multiple 
copies of, but my kids are old now. :-) )

John Muccigrosso 

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 02:31, Rob Willett  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents which 
> give their contact details, most of them have multiple email addresses, e.g. 
> a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to both their emails 
> addresses with information about upcoming games. However Contacts/Mailmate on 
> OS X El Capitan only allows a single email address to be associated with a 
> user in a group contact. We have experimented with various options and come 
> to the conclusion its not actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple 
> deciding that users are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of 
> how many working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be 
> enough :)
> 
> Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or would 
> anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that works with 
> MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user.
> 
> We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around the 
> problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single entry 
> with multiple emails addresses.
> 
> We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue.
> 
> Any suggestions please?
> 
> Rob
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Re: [MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Annamarie]

Well the way I would manage this is with Text Expander. I'd create a 
snippet with all the email addresses you want and voila! Never have to 
build the list again.


I do this lots with groups of emails.

My two cents.

Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)

On 14 Sep 2016, at 2:31, Rob Willett wrote:


Hi,

I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents 
which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email 
addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to 
both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. 
However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single 
email address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We have 
experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its not 
actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that users 
are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how many 
working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be 
enough :)


Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or 
would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that 
works with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user.


We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around 
the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a 
single entry with multiple emails addresses.


We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue.

Any suggestions please?

Rob
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[MlMt] Multiple email addresses per user in OS X Contacts and Mailmate

[Rob Willett]

Hi,

I manage a small kids rugby team in the UK. We have around 50 parents 
which give their contact details, most of them have multiple email 
addresses, e.g. a work one and a home one. We want to send emails to 
both their emails addresses with information about upcoming games. 
However Contacts/Mailmate on OS X El Capitan only allows a single email 
address to be associated with a user in a group contact. We have 
experimented with various options and come to the conclusion its not 
actually a MailMate problem but somebody in Apple deciding that users 
are only allowed a single primary address, regardless of how many 
working email addresses they have. Shades of 640KB will always be enough 
:)


Anyway, is there a solution in Mailmate that we’re not aware of, or 
would anybody have any recommendations for a Contacts program that works 
with MailMate AND allows us to have multiple contacts per user.


We know we can create multiple card entries in Contacts to get around 
the problem, but thats a dirty, tacky solution. We want to have a single 
entry with multiple emails addresses.


We can’t believe we are the only people who have this issue.

Any suggestions please?

Rob
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