Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 7 Nov 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote: On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: I've copied this files: - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/ - ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist as Benny sugested me a while ago. Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / etc.? How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them again on startup if they are available? That's exactly what I did, yes. A button / menu-item in MailMate itself would still have 3 advantages: 1. Nobody would had to remember which plist-files etc. exactly are relevant. 2. Nobody would have to "*dig*" deep in ~Library to find the files. 3. Benny could alter anytime the list of the relevant files whit out having to send a notice to all. I use a couple of apps (TextExpander, Hazel, KeyboardMaestro) that have a similar approach: with a single click I can export text-snippets / rules / macros into a folder I can choose. BusyCal / BusyContacts also let you backup the events / contacts to a location you can choose. Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these days. Totally agree! Even when MailMate is not supposed to run simultaneously on two (or more) machines with a single set of plist-files & co., as far as I remember.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 6 Nov 2017, at 21:46, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: > I've copied this files: > > - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist > - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ > - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/ > - ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist > > as Benny sugested me a while ago. > > Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a > menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like > a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / > etc.? How about just exporting these files on Dropbox/... and importing them again on startup if they are available? Keeping configs in sync on many machines is really a key-feature these days. -- Robert M. Münch, CEO M: +41 79 65 11 49 6 Saphirion AG smarter | better | faster http://www.saphirion.com http://www.nlpp.ch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] reply - at the bottom now?!
Vlad Ghitulescu wrote (at 12:41 on 6 Nov 2017): What do you - all of you - use for replies, at the top or at the bottom? I reply at the top to most messages, but reply at the bottom when I post to this list, because it is Benny's list and he has expressed that preference. I'm really not interested in monitoring debate about the topic; it's as pointless as arguments about whether to mount a toilet paper roll so that new sheets come from over the top or from under the bottom of the roll. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
I've copied this files: - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/*.plist - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Resources/ - ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Bundles/ - ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist as Benny sugested me a while ago. Seeing that this question arise again: Benny, wouldn't be possible to have a menu-item / preference-button for exporting everything that make sense (like a backup-capsule :-) in order to start with MailMate on a new machine / os / etc.? Regards, Vlad On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Hi, I recently installed a fresh copy of HighSierra on a Mac (probably like a lot of other people) and wanted to easily copy my Mailmate config from my old disk to the new one. I saw some discussions here about syncing Mailmate config but remain unclear on what files I would need to copy to replicate the configuration on a new machine? (In particular, without access to the old machine’s Mailmate, I failed to replicate the exact combination of settings that I had for Mailmate to work in a way that I like with Gmail.) Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? Rob. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] reply - at the bottom now?!
It worked, thank you, Benny… although, seeing that the default is the other way around I start to think that you've must have had already some thoughts about this… :-) What do you - all of you - use for replies, at the top or at the bottom? On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 5 Nov 2017, at 5:24, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: Any idea why and how to switch to "*reply at the top*"? See the Signatures preferences pane. After changing the default behavior then click “Reset Usage History” to make sure MailMate does not remember anything wrong based on emails you have already sent. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Proposal: conditional image loading by URL filtering
On 6 Nov 2017, at 5:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Thanks for the detailed idea. Thanks for considering it! I'm thinking it might be a performance issue to call a script for every image (there can be a lot of them in a single email). I was thinking you’d invoke the script once for each email, at display time. Does that change things for you? The process on your side would look something like: ``` on display_html_email: proc = run(uri_approver) for image in remote_images: proc.write(image) result = proc.read() if result is 'allow': display(image) proc.end() ``` It might be nice with a more flexible solution, but if all you want is a regular expression to allow certain images then I already implemented `MmAllowedImageURLRegexp`. For example: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAllowedImageURLRegexp -string "https://(freron\.com|example\.com)/.*" Hmm, it appears I've “forgotten” to document this. Maybe because I didn't really finish this feature. I would have liked to also handle a `MmDisallowedImageURLRegexp`. Let me know if you need that. Hey, that’s great. It means I’ll have to deal with a long, ugly regular expression, but I can tolerate that I think. I don’t think I need a deny pattern, since deny is MailMate’s default. Thanks a lot! -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Debugging custom keystrokes (another newbie question)
On 6 Nov 2017, at 7:54, David Ledger wrote: On 6 Nov 2017, at 10:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 4 Nov 2017, at 19:59, Robert Goldman wrote: Follow-up questions: I *think* most of your questions are answered [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings.html#key-bindings-in-mailmate). 2. Would it be possible to add a log entry if MailMate does not find a file? I've added this. 3. Are there any characters forbidden in filenames? No. -- Benny ‘/‘ is to be avoided in filenames in Unix systems generally. Having worked with Unix since (just) before the Mac I’ve never tried using it with OSX. It may (or may not) work, but it’s a low-level fiddle-around if it does and could break. Similarly I avoid ‘:’ as that used to be the pathname separator pre-OSX, even though it wasn’t as visible to users. There used to be a compatibility fiddle-around for that, but Apple may have dropped that by now. Thanks. I was just using hyphen (-), because I'm an old school lisp programmer, so hyphen is the way I say underscore ;-) Best, r ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Debugging custom keystrokes (another newbie question)
On 6 Nov 2017, at 4:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 4 Nov 2017, at 19:59, Robert Goldman wrote: Follow-up questions: I *think* most of your questions are answered [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings.html#key-bindings-in-mailmate). You are right: when I went back I found that this did specify the separating character. I was doing it right; I must just have forgotten the source of this information. 2. Would it be possible to add a log entry if MailMate does not find a file? I've added this. Thanks. Will this pop-up in a beta build when I update? 3. Are there any characters forbidden in filenames? No. Then I guess I'm still at a loss. When a keystroke fails to do what I expect, is there any debugging recourse? Is there some sort of API that Apple supplies to let you query a keyboard configuration with a keystroke to find out what will happen? Is there a logging capability that one can use to see how keystrokes were mapped in an application? IMO that's the problem with all these domain-specific languages like the plist -- people who build them don't just *assume* that they'll go wrong sometime, as software always does, and think about how they can be debugged when the inevitable happens. Best, r ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Debugging custom keystrokes (another newbie question)
On 6 Nov 2017, at 10:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 4 Nov 2017, at 19:59, Robert Goldman wrote: Follow-up questions: I *think* most of your questions are answered [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings.html#key-bindings-in-mailmate). 2. Would it be possible to add a log entry if MailMate does not find a file? I've added this. 3. Are there any characters forbidden in filenames? No. -- Benny ‘/‘ is to be avoided in filenames in Unix systems generally. Having worked with Unix since (just) before the Mac I’ve never tried using it with OSX. It may (or may not) work, but it’s a low-level fiddle-around if it does and could break. Similarly I avoid ‘:’ as that used to be the pathname separator pre-OSX, even though it wasn’t as visible to users. There used to be a compatibility fiddle-around for that, but Apple may have dropped that by now. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Custom Search / Always selects FROM as search field, how can I change that?
On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On 6 Nov 2017, at 10:13, Robert M. Münch wrote: > >> Hi, using the custom search to search just the actual mailbox, always comes >> up using FROM as search target. I would like to use body text or even better >> no restriction at all. MM should just search through everything, header, >> text, etc. > > Use “Common Headers or Body”. > >> Is it possible to change the default behaviour? > > You are looking for “Edit ▸ Find ▸ Use as Default Search” (use it after > setting up your desired set of search conditions -- you can have multiple > conditions since MailMate ignores those with empty text fields). That was the missing link. Thanks. How about putting this into the GUI of the search bar. Proximity of functions & features helps a lot. Viele Grüsse. -- Robert M. Münch, CEO M: +41 79 65 11 49 6 Saphirion AG smarter | better | faster http://www.saphirion.com http://www.nlpp.ch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature wish: Clean subject - Get rid of multiple "Re:"
On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: MailMate should already do this, MailMate does it, but only when replying. Is it a dumb idea to do it on arrival of such mails? -- greets Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Accessing local Unix mail
Is there a built-in way to access local on-host Unix emails from ~/mbox or /var/mail/? I can import them, but can this be done automatically on a schedule? I know I can get cron to send its mail using mate, but that would send it off site to be re-loaded back. That would be fine, but I’d use a direct import if it were already available. Thanks, David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Custom Search / Always selects FROM as search field, how can I change that?
On 6 Nov 2017, at 10:13, Robert M. Münch wrote: Hi, using the custom search to search just the actual mailbox, always comes up using FROM as search target. I would like to use body text or even better no restriction at all. MM should just search through everything, header, text, etc. Use “Common Headers or Body”. Is it possible to change the default behaviour? You are looking for “Edit ▸ Find ▸ Use as Default Search” (use it after setting up your desired set of search conditions -- you can have multiple conditions since MailMate ignores those with empty text fields). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transferring mailmate config
On 5 Nov 2017, at 22:13, Robert Kroeger wrote: Is it sufficient (or dangerous) to copy from `~/Library/Application Support/MailMate` (while Mailmate is not running I presume): ``` Identities.plist Mailboxes.plist Sources.plist Submission.plist Tags.plist ``` This should work as long as you have not already configured MailMate on the new machine (with 1 or more accounts). If you have then start by deleting the entire folder. Or do I need to copy some other files? Or are some of these better not copied? It should be fine to copy all `*.plist` files in the top-level folder like the files above. Some other settings are saved in the so-called `defaults` system (e.g., most of the settings in the Preferences panes). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Feature wish: Clean subject - Get rid of multiple "Re:"
On 4 Nov 2017, at 9:14, Andreas Borutta wrote: There is a nice extension, which eliminates the multiple "Re:" which many damaged clients produce. [...] And, of course, Benny, what do you think? MailMate should already do this, but apparently this is not working for you? You can use “Help ▸ Send Feedback” in MailMate to send me one or more examples of subject lines not cleaned up by MailMate when replying. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] reply - at the bottom now?!
On 5 Nov 2017, at 5:24, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote: Any idea why and how to switch to "*reply at the top*"? See the Signatures preferences pane. After changing the default behavior then click “Reset Usage History” to make sure MailMate does not remember anything wrong based on emails you have already sent. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Debugging custom keystrokes (another newbie question)
On 4 Nov 2017, at 19:59, Robert Goldman wrote: Follow-up questions: I *think* most of your questions are answered [here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings.html#key-bindings-in-mailmate). 2. Would it be possible to add a log entry if MailMate does not find a file? I've added this. 3. Are there any characters forbidden in filenames? No. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Proposal: conditional image loading by URL filtering
On 4 Nov 2017, at 17:10, Sam Hathaway wrote: I’ve been thinking about whether there’d be an easy way for you to add conditional domain-based image loading, without doing a bunch of UI work for a feature that (admittedly) has limited appeal. Thanks for the detailed idea. 2. If this is set, MailMate would run this program when displaying an HTML email. It would send the program each image URL on stdin, and expect to get back the strings `allow` or `deny`. I'm thinking it might be a performance issue to call a script for every image (there can be a lot of them in a single email). Everyone else could ignore this feature. What do you think? It might be nice with a more flexible solution, but if all you want is a regular expression to allow certain images then I already implemented `MmAllowedImageURLRegexp`. For example: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmAllowedImageURLRegexp -string "https://(freron\.com|example\.com)/.*" Hmm, it appears I've “forgotten” to document this. Maybe because I didn't really finish this feature. I would have liked to also handle a `MmDisallowedImageURLRegexp`. Let me know if you need that. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] match "contains" condition on whole word only?
On 4 Nov 2017, at 15:03, Shoshanna Green wrote: I've got a check-before-sending condition set up in messageVerifications.plist that's meant to keep me from sending messages related to the group I'm on the board of from any address other than the one I use for board business. The relevant condition is set up as conditions = "(subject ~ 'board' or #unquoted ~[a] 'board')"; in other words, either the subject or the unquoted body text contains the word "board." But this condition is also triggered whenever I use a word like "keyboard" or "boardwalk" or "onboarding." Is there a way to restrict it to whole-word matching? For “Subject”, you can use “Subject ▸ Body ▸ Word”, but there is no solution for the other one. Well, it's technically possible to introduce a new specifier yourself, but I think that would be overkill in this case. I have an old request for supporting regular expressions when matching. That's probably your best hope for the future. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Custom Search / Always selects FROM as search field, how can I change that?
Hi, using the custom search to search just the actual mailbox, always comes up using FROM as search target. I would like to use body text or even better no restriction at all. MM should just search through everything, header, text, etc. Is it possible to change the default behaviour? Viele Grüsse. -- Robert M. Münch, CEO M: +41 79 65 11 49 6 Saphirion AG smarter | better | faster http://www.saphirion.com http://www.nlpp.ch signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
