Re: [MlMt] Searching for text of URL links
On 15 Mar 2019, at 17:05, Chris Newman wrote: The IMAP standard requires implementation of a pure substring search, but in practice most search indexing software toolkits only do word-based search and don't support efficient substring search (most can do reasonably efficient prefix search but not efficient suffix search). So particularly for body searches, you need to search for a substring that counts as a word to whatever indexing software is used on the IMAP server you're using. Also search for a stop word (e.g., 'and') may not work either (not indexing those words reduces index size). The IMAP server I work on can either do IMAP compliant search brute-force or do word-based indexed body search quickly and it's up to the server admin to choose which to use. Given that many clients do body search by default now, most admins of larger sites choose to use the indexed word-based search. All true but not really relevant for MailMate users. MailMate's search is entirely client-side, using a custom index in ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Database.noindex/ which is also what makes the "Smart Folder" feature possible. While it's possible to implement efficient indexed pure substring search, that requires a significantly larger search index than word-based search technologies, and it's not clear "free" email services would be willing to pay for that extra storage when they can just ignore the standard and provide word-based search cheaper (and I don't recall being asked to provide such a feature by any customer). Also search indexing software is likely to drop any markup. So if the URL is an HTML link rather than actually in the text of the message, it may not be indexed (or searchable) at all. Testing confirms that MM will find arbitrary substrings of URLs which are in plain text mail or in the content text of HTML mail but will NOT find any part of URL's that only exist in markup (i.e. href=) values. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Available For Hire: https://linkedin.com/in/billcole ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Searching for text of URL links
Chris Newman wrote (at 14:05 on 15 Mar 2019): The IMAP standard requires implementation of a pure substring search, but in practice most search indexing software toolkits only do word-based search and don't support efficient substring search (most can do reasonably efficient prefix search but not efficient suffix search). So particularly for body searches, you need to search for a substring that counts as a word to whatever indexing software is used on the IMAP server you're using. Doesn't MailMate search the local repository instead of the IMAP server? I would think that if you're searching local files, you should be able to use any search toolkit you like. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Searching for text of URL links
On 15 Mar 2019, at 14:05, Chris Newman wrote: The IMAP standard requires implementation of a pure substring search, but in practice most search indexing software toolkits only do word-based search and don't support efficient substring search (most can do reasonably efficient prefix search but not efficient suffix search). So particularly for body searches, you need to search for a substring that counts as a word to whatever indexing software is used on the IMAP server you're using. Also search for a stop word (e.g., 'and') may not work either (not indexing those words reduces index size). The IMAP server I work on can either do IMAP compliant search brute-force or do word-based indexed body search quickly and it's up to the server admin to choose which to use. Given that many clients do body search by default now, most admins of larger sites choose to use the indexed word-based search. While it's possible to implement efficient indexed pure substring search, that requires a significantly larger search index than word-based search technologies, and it's not clear "free" email services would be willing to pay for that extra storage when they can just ignore the standard and provide word-based search cheaper (and I don't recall being asked to provide such a feature by any customer). Also search indexing software is likely to drop any markup. So if the URL is an HTML link rather than actually in the text of the message, it may not be indexed (or searchable) at all. All good points. Note that MailMate indexes the local store (which I believe contains everything in all subscribed or accessed mailboxes), so in this case it's likely that the search was done by MailMate itself rather than the server. Probably whatever MailMate uses for indexing is word-based. I've often had difficulty finding messages using the search bar, but doing an Edit -> Find -> Mailbox Search has worked for me when the search bar has failed, which I chalk up to not fully understanding what how the search bar works. --Randall On 15 Mar 2019, at 10:33, Ted Lesley wrote: I must be missing something, I’m trying to search for the text of links in mail messages and they don’t come up when I search for part of the URL (domain, string in link, etc.) What am I missing? Thanks for any help. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Searching for text of URL links
The IMAP standard requires implementation of a pure substring search, but in practice most search indexing software toolkits only do word-based search and don't support efficient substring search (most can do reasonably efficient prefix search but not efficient suffix search). So particularly for body searches, you need to search for a substring that counts as a word to whatever indexing software is used on the IMAP server you're using. Also search for a stop word (e.g., 'and') may not work either (not indexing those words reduces index size). The IMAP server I work on can either do IMAP compliant search brute-force or do word-based indexed body search quickly and it's up to the server admin to choose which to use. Given that many clients do body search by default now, most admins of larger sites choose to use the indexed word-based search. While it's possible to implement efficient indexed pure substring search, that requires a significantly larger search index than word-based search technologies, and it's not clear "free" email services would be willing to pay for that extra storage when they can just ignore the standard and provide word-based search cheaper (and I don't recall being asked to provide such a feature by any customer). Also search indexing software is likely to drop any markup. So if the URL is an HTML link rather than actually in the text of the message, it may not be indexed (or searchable) at all. - Chris On 15 Mar 2019, at 10:33, Ted Lesley wrote: I must be missing something, I’m trying to search for the text of links in mail messages and they don’t come up when I search for part of the URL (domain, string in link, etc.) What am I missing? Thanks for any help. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keystroke for "Load Once"?
On 15 Mar 2019, at 4:49, Annamarie Pluhar wrote: Hi all Last time I asked for a keystroke it turned out that it was obvious so I’m going to ask for another. Is there one for “Load Once” to get the images that are embedded in an email to load? OR a preference I’ve missed OR?? Thanks. Annamarie Pluhar I don't know if there is a pre-existing keystroke for it, but I have the Load Once action bound to "L" (Shift + l) in my [MailMate keybindings](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) file: "L" = "loadImagesOnce:"; It works as you would expect - loads the images in an email you're already viewing, but the next message you open will not have its images/external references loaded until you invoke Shift + l again. Hope this helps. Sherif___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Searching for text of URL links
I must be missing something, I’m trying to search for the text of links in mail messages and they don’t come up when I search for part of the URL (domain, string in link, etc.) What am I missing? Thanks for any help. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Keystroke for "Load Once"?
Hi all Last time I asked for a keystroke it turned out that it was obvious so I’m going to ask for another. Is there one for “Load Once” to get the images that are embedded in an email to load? OR a preference I’ve missed OR?? Thanks. Annamarie Pluhar 802-451-1941 802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
