Re: [MlMt] Verifying the MlMt installer’s integrity
On 2023-04-26 at 15:59:23 UTC-0400 (Wed, 26 Apr 2023 12:59:23 -0700) davecc is rumored to have said: Apple App Store and the like provide verification of all apps submitted for distribution from the store. For direct downloads such as the MailMate app, how do we verify that the file has not been tampered with? Is there a signature or hash that Benny can provide? I didn’t see any such on the download page. Well, unless you've disabled the feature, macOS won't let you run a downloaded application like MailMate unless it is signed by an Apple-identified developer. You can verify this signature with Apple's 'codesign' tool: $ codesign -v -v --check-notarization -d /Applications//MailMate.app/ Executable=/Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/MacOS/MailMate Identifier=com.freron.MailMate Format=app bundle with Mach-O universal (x86_64 arm64) CodeDirectory v=20500 size=96607 flags=0x1(runtime) hashes=3008+7 location=embedded Signature size=9049 Authority=Developer ID Application: Freron Software (VP8UL4YCJC) Authority=Developer ID Certification Authority Authority=Apple Root CA Timestamp=Mar 30, 2023 at 10:52:41 AM Info.plist entries=33 TeamIdentifier=VP8UL4YCJC Runtime Version=13.1.0 Sealed Resources version=2 rules=13 files=312 Internal requirements count=1 size=180 There's a man page for that tool if you want all the details... If you like free GUI tools instead, see https://objective-see.org/products/whatsyoursign.html for a gadget that adds a "Signing Info" item to the Finder contextual menu, which you can use to get info like the attached image. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Verifying the MlMt installer’s integrity
On 26 Apr 2023, at 12:59 MST, davecc wrote: Apple App Store and the like provide verification of all apps submitted for distribution from the store. For direct downloads such as the MailMate app, how do we verify that the file has not been tampered with? Is there a signature or hash that Benny can provide? I didn’t see any such on the download page. I don't recall ever seeing a sig file for MailMate, nor have I kept up with Apple's 'notarization' scheme, but there are useful tools available to look around, to look before you leap.. Here is one: https://www.mothersruin.com/software/SuspiciousPackage ビリー ヨーデルマん +1 310 839 7673 http://MIX.ORG/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags
I also use Davmail, just for this purpose. Two bits of unsolicited advice: 1) If Davmail gives you trouble, remember that there is a GUI version and a command-line version. I first used the command-line version because I read somewhere it was more stable, but it kept generating time-outs on login. I then tried the GUI, and it works perfectly. Not sure why that would be, but there it is. 2) The initial sync of davmail is extremely slow. Just give it time (it took several days for me). Once it is done, it is quick enough that you won’t notice. 3) OK, one more. If you have very large mailboxes (mine had ~50K messages) that are updated frequently, Davmail starts being very slow. YMMV. Best, Zvi On 26 Apr 2023, at 17:59, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Hello I use DavMail to access our company Exchange. It's an IMAP/SMTP/*DAV/LDAP Exchange bridge. It also translates IMAP keywords to/from Exchange Categories. I can also use shared accounts through it. Thanks for the pointer - will definitely have a look :) —Alex___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags
Hello I use DavMail to access our company Exchange. It's an IMAP/SMTP/*DAV/LDAP Exchange bridge. It also translates IMAP keywords to/from Exchange Categories. I can also use shared accounts through it. Thanks for the pointer - will definitely have a look :) —Alex___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] How are Draft emails supposed to be used/opened/edited between apps?
Hello All, I have question about Draft email formatting and interoperability in editing in M-M v 1.14 Test Build 5964 and possibly earlier editions, vs Mail.app (possibly true for Outlook as well?). How does an email in the Drafts IMAP folder (whether put there from another app like Mail, E.G., started from an iPad or iPhone or Mail - started on another computer) vs from within M-M, supposed to open for editing? Have found strange behavior of late with email started elsewhere and M-M Specific Drafts. Even this one… Started this in M-M and used the Save Command to save it (defaults the Drafts Folder). I just reopened it in M-M and it opens for editing just fine. However… if I see that this is in the Drafts and want to edit it without double-clicking it to open in a new window, it cannot be done. So, double-click to open? Has this always been the case?? Back to an email created elsewhere, in the Drafts Folder… If edited in mail.app the construction changes and it is no longer openable in M-M. So this seems to be the issue. The original is save but as a separate (Mail.app) document. So, is there a way around the issue? Don’t know if this will pass, but including the two as attachments, here. They are both openable as HTML in MM, but not editable for me. Questions: * How can I make them editable in M-M as both text+HTML? * Is there another way to prep a Mail email to be editable in both Mail and M-M as well as the recipients’ format? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com --- Begin Message --- --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Hello All, I have question about Draft emails in M-M v 1.14 Test Build 5964 and possibly earlier editions. How does an email in the drafts folder (whether put there from another app like Mail, E.G., started from an iPad or iPhone or Mail on another computer) or from within M-M supposed to opened for editing. Have found strange behavior of late with email started elsewhere and M-M Specific Drafts. Even this one… Started this in M-M and used the Save Command to save it (defaults the Drafts Folder). I just reopened it in M-M and it opens for editing just fine. However… if I see that this is in the Drafts and want to edit it without double-clicking it to open in a new window, it cannot be done. So, double-click to open? Has this always been the case?? Back to an email created elsewhere, in the Drafts Folder… Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com --- End Message --- ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Verifying the MlMt installer’s integrity
Apple App Store and the like provide verification of all apps submitted for distribution from the store. For direct downloads such as the MailMate app, how do we verify that the file has not been tampered with? Is there a signature or hash that Benny can provide? I didn’t see any such on the download page. Thanks, Dave ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags
Moin Alex, On 26 Apr 2023, at 19:04, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Did anyone manage to “map” MM Flags to Outlook Flags (Categories as they are called) ? Are they exposed in O365 / Exchange IMAP (admittedly poor) implementation ? I use [DavMail](https://davmail.sourceforge.net/) to access our company Exchange. It's an IMAP/SMTP/*DAV/LDAP Exchange bridge. It also translates IMAP keywords to/from Exchange Categories. I can also use shared accounts through it. Really fine tool that has been working smoothly here for years. -- Best Regards Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Quote More/Quote Less
On 25 Apr 2023, at 5:25, Henry Seiden wrote: > Also tried the keyboard shortcuts, ⌘’ and ⌥ ⌘’. They work the same. Aha, that's what I was trying to do. That works for me now; it wasn't working earlier, so I tried quote more/quote less instead. On 24 Apr 2023, at 21:46, John Doherty wrote: > Not sure what to call this: "collapsing," I guess. Yeah, I would call this "Collapse quotes" and "Expand quotes". More/less is too ambiguous. Thanks guys! Q ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags
I’m seeing that a new RFC was published RFC9051, in 2021. [available here](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9051/). The relevant section appears pretty much intact, however, if you want to check it out (2.3.2, “FLAGS MESSAGE ATTRIBUTE”). Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 26 Apr 2023, at 13:34, Henry Seiden wrote: Alexandre, Sorry, no. I can’t even figure out if there are any flag mappings from M-M to Mail.app and vice versa. With itself no problem in M-M to the outside via IMAP accounts, not so great. Yet there is supposed to be a flag bit in the protocol (RFC 3501, RFC 3501 - INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - VERSION 4rev1, see section 2.3.2.) as is mentioned [in this timeline of development of IMAP protocol](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3501/). We all know this is voluntary stuff. Seems like the question is really for the email clients’ software and the servers that may be stripping that for their own purposes. Maybe Benny has some insight? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 26 Apr 2023, at 13:04, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Quick question Did anyone manage to “map” MM Flags to Outlook Flags (Categories as they are called) ? Are they exposed in O365 / Exchange IMAP (admittedly poor) implementation ? —Alex___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags
Alexandre, Sorry, no. I can’t even figure out if there are any flag mappings from M-M to Mail.app and vice versa. With itself no problem in M-M to the outside via IMAP accounts, not so great. Yet there is supposed to be a flag bit in the protocol (RFC 3501, RFC 3501 - INTERNET MESSAGE ACCESS PROTOCOL - VERSION 4rev1, see section 2.3.2.) as is mentioned [in this timeline of development of IMAP protocol](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc3501/). We all know this is voluntary stuff. Seems like the question is really for the email clients’ software and the servers that may be stripping that for their own purposes. Maybe Benny has some insight? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 26 Apr 2023, at 13:04, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Quick question Did anyone manage to “map” MM Flags to Outlook Flags (Categories as they are called) ? Are they exposed in O365 / Exchange IMAP (admittedly poor) implementation ? —Alex___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags
Quick question Did anyone manage to “map” MM Flags to Outlook Flags (Categories as they are called) ? Are they exposed in O365 / Exchange IMAP (admittedly poor) implementation ? —Alex___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Running MailMate simultaneously in two locations
On 25 Apr 2023, at 3:10, Randall Gellens wrote: Having one client execute rules is a well-known way of using IMAP. In the old days when IMAP was first being designed, this was called an active client (the client is always on and actively moving/deleting messages). Yes, I could designate one computer as the master, but that would mean never letting it “sleep” at all. I would rather not do that since these two computers may go days (or weeks) without being used for anything else. I am usually carefully to manage my instances in such circumstances, but I have also set up remote access so that I can tunnel in and quit MailMate if/when I forget. Server-side rules might be an option, but I’m really not motivated to set it up on the Comcast/Xfinity platform. It won't work to have two active clients, because messages will vanish and appear while a client is trying to operate on them. IMHO, it’s not the end of the world to have a message disappear during a move operation, especially when it’s due to some other instance of MailMate that is already performing the intended move operation. And while server problems that could cause a message to disappear are not impossible, they are *vanishingly* unlikely. I’m definitely not looking for some kind of out-of-band coordination here, just a more forgiving response to certain types of errors. I regard quietly taking a folder offline as a rather severe response. One simple option would be to back off and wait a minute before retrying. A more sophisticated option would be to check if the intended message move was already accomplished before complaining. Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
