[MlMt] counter badge color adjustment?

[Tracy Valleau]

I looked and could not find a way to change the color of the little menu-bar 
"dot". I use one to show that there are unread messages.

For years it has been red with a white number.

Now it's orange, and the white number is almost unreadable.

Perhaps I missed it, but I couldn't find a way to change it, even in the 
"hidden" adjustments file.

What's the trick?

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Re: [MlMt] Stop doubleclick from opening mailbox? (Benny Kjær Nielsen),

[Tracy Valleau]

Thanks, Benny. Greatly appreciated...

...and FWIW, now I'm a patron   :-)

Tracy

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[MlMt] Stop doubleclick from opening mailbox?

[Tracy Valleau]

I looked, but can't find it. I'd like to stop double-clicking on a mailbox from 
performing "Edit mailbox..."

Can that be done?

Tracy
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied

[Tracy Valleau]

>  I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its internal update to.

Mailmate downlosds a complete new copy of the application. It does not have an 
"internal update".

The copy it downloads is trying to replace the running copy. It goes where ever 
your current copy of MailMate lives. It's failing because the current location 
is not seen as being writable, or the copy of MM itself cannot be altered.

Command sragging to the desktop and then command dragging into the 
/Applications should repair those possible problems.

Don't over think this.

Tracy



On 19 May 2022, at 15:03, David Ledger wrote:

> On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>>> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
>>
>> No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update?
>>
>>> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too 
>>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that 
>>> this isn’t).
>>   I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't 
>> update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I 
>> suggested.
>>
>> Sorry it didn't work for you.
>>
>> T
>
>
> I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so 
> it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its 
> internal update to.
>
> David
>
>
>>
>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop.
>>>> Release all keys.
>>>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder.
>>>>
>>>> That should fix it.
>>>
>>> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, 
>>> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. 
>>> So
>>> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
>>> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too 
>>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that 
>>> this isn’t).
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the 
>>>>> Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate 
>>>>> (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup 
>>>>> saying:
>>>>> v v v v
>>>>> MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be 
>>>>> updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the 
>>>>> Downloads folder should solve the problem.
>>>>> ^ ^ ^ ^
>>>>>
>>>>> The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The 
>>>>> filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container 
>>>>> disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only 
>>>>> volumes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else seen this?
>>>>>
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied

[Tracy Valleau]

OK - let's try this again.

You MUST have a copy of MailMate -somewhere- because you said you "start it up."

If you don't know where it is, then once it is running, you can go to the dock, 
and control-click on the MM icon and choose "options" and then "reveal in 
finder".

Once you can see it in the finder, quit it if it is running.
Now hold down the command key and drag it (MailMate) to your desktop.
Release all keys. You shold see MM on your desktop.
Again, Hold down the command key and drag that MailMate to your /Applications 
folder.
Let go of the keys.
Double-click on the MM you just dragged to the /Applications folder.
That will run the MM app.
Now go to the MailMate menu, in the upper left corner of your screen, and 
choose "Check for Update."

Give this a try, even if you don't understand why it might work. It's easy 
enough to check and see if it solves your problem.

Good Luck.


On 19 May 2022, at 15:03, David Ledger wrote:

> On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>>> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
>>
>> No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update?
>>
>>> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too 
>>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that 
>>> this isn’t).
>>   I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't 
>> update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I 
>> suggested.
>>
>> Sorry it didn't work for you.
>>
>> T
>
>
> I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so 
> it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its 
> internal update to.
>
> David
>
>
>>
>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote:
>>
>>> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop.
>>>> Release all keys.
>>>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder.
>>>>
>>>> That should fix it.
>>>
>>> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, 
>>> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. 
>>> So
>>> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
>>> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too 
>>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that 
>>> this isn’t).
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the 
>>>>> Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate 
>>>>> (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup 
>>>>> saying:
>>>>> v v v v
>>>>> MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be 
>>>>> updated.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the 
>>>>> Downloads folder should solve the problem.
>>>>> ^ ^ ^ ^
>>>>>
>>>>> The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The 
>>>>> filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container 
>>>>> disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only 
>>>>> volumes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone else seen this?
>>>>>
>>>>> David
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied

[Tracy Valleau]

> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.

No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update?

> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old 
> to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this 
> isn’t).
 I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't 
update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I 
suggested.

Sorry it didn't work for you.

T



On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote:

> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>
>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop.
>> Release all keys.
>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder.
>>
>> That should fix it.
>
> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, even 
> though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. So
> 1.  Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date.
> 2.  Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old 
> to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this 
> isn’t).
>
> David
>
>
>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote:
>>
>>> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software 
>>> Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is 
>>> rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying:
>>> v v v v
>>> MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be 
>>> updated.
>>>
>>> If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the 
>>> Downloads folder should solve the problem.
>>> ^ ^ ^ ^
>>>
>>> The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The 
>>> filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container 
>>> disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes.
>>>
>>> Has anyone else seen this?
>>>
>>> David
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Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied

[Tracy Valleau]

Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop.
Release all keys.
Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder.

That should fix it.

On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote:

> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software 
> Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare 
> because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying:
> v v v v
> MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be 
> updated.
>
> If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the 
> Downloads folder should solve the problem.
> ^ ^ ^ ^
>
> The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The 
> filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” 
> that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes.
>
> Has anyone else seen this?
>
> David
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Re: [MlMt] cannot delete previously trashed message

[Tracy Valleau]

Thanks Bill. I gave the terminal commands a go at it, and now things are... 
well... different. So the problem keeps changing, but I'll get it figured out.

Appreciate your courtesy!

Tracy
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On 7 May 2022, at 12:29, Bill Cole wrote:

> See my attached reply to your earlier post on the mailing list
>
>
> On 2022-05-07 at 14:35:52 UTC-0400 (Sat, 07 May 2022 11:35:52 -0700)
> Tracy Valleau 
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I have an email listed in my Source/Trash folder that does not physically 
>> exist, and I cannot remove the (red) entry.
>>
>> It's my fault: I installed GPG for a bit and then decided I didn't want it. 
>> Before I removed it however, someone sent me a signed email to which I 
>> replied.
>>
>> The reply failed because I didn't have a signed key. I created a new  
>> unsigned email and replied, and then moved the "not signed" email to the 
>> trash.
>>
>> Now it's stuck there. I looked at the trash via Webmail, and it's empty. I 
>> looked in the mailmate folders and found it in the local trash and so 
>> deleted it with the finder.
>>
>> oops.  The red-text listing for the email still appears in my /source/trash 
>> mailbox in Mailmate, and now I get a message telling me I have an Anti-Virus 
>> problem. It suggests I try /message/reset, but it's grayed out.
>>
>> It appears that the message only exists in MailMate's internals somewhere, 
>> and I cannot find it.
>>
>> So: two things
>>
>> One: a PGP fail should not leave a message which cannot be deleted in the 
>> first place and
>>
>> two: I likely made the situation worse with my mucking about...
>>
>> but still and all, there should be -some- way to correct this and/or do a 
>> "force delete". At the very least, a way to rebuild the MM internals from 
>> what actually is in place on the server. Synchronize did not do it; reset 
>> could not be invoked.
>>
>> Suggestions  anyone?
>>
>> TIA
>>
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[MlMt] Multiple list postings from Tracy

[Tracy Valleau]

My apologies to one and all.

Upon posting, I got a reply from the list that my post was rejected for a DMARC 
failure.

Couldn't believe it so tried again. Ditto.

Spent 45 minutes online with my email provider.

Ditto.

Rejoined the list with a new email address... and it went through.

Sent Benny a copy of the DMARC rejection letter.

I'm really not spamming the list!  ;-)

Thanks

Tracy

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[MlMt] cannot delete previously trashed message

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello

I have an email listed in my Source/Trash folder that does not physically 
exist, and I cannot remove the (red) entry.

It's my fault: I installed GPG for a bit and then decided I didn't want it. 
Before I removed it however, someone sent me a signed email to which I replied.

The reply failed because I didn't have a signed key. I created a new  unsigned 
email and replied, and then moved the "not signed" email to the trash.

Now it's stuck there. I looked at the trash via Webmail, and it's empty. I 
looked in the mailmate folders and found it in the local trash and so deleted 
it with the finder.

oops.  The red-text listing for the email still appears in my /source/trash 
mailbox in Mailmate, and now I get a message telling me I have an Anti-Virus 
problem. It suggests I try /message/reset, but it's grayed out.

It appears that the message only exists in MailMate's internals somewhere, and 
I cannot find it.

So: two things

One: a PGP fail should not leave a message which cannot be deleted in the first 
place and

two: I likely made the situation worse with my mucking about...

but still and all, there should be -some- way to correct this and/or do a 
"force delete". At the very least, a way to rebuild the MM internals from what 
actually is in place on the server. Synchronize did not do it; reset could not 
be invoked.

Suggestions  anyone?

TIA

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[MlMt] cannot delete trasehd message

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello

I have an email listed in my Source/Trash folder that does not exists, and I 
cannot remove the (red) entry.

It's my fault: I installed GPG for a bit and then decided I didn't want it. 
Before I removed it however, someone sent me a signed email to which I replied.

The reply failed because I didn't have a signed key. I created a new  unsigned 
email and replied, and then moved the "not signed" email to the trash.

Now it's stuck there. I looked at the trash via Webmail, and it's empty. I 
looked in the mailmate folders and found it in the local trash and so deleted 
it with the finder.

oops.  The red-text listing for the email still appears in my /source/trash 
mailbox in Mailmate, and now I get a message telling me I have an Anti-Virus 
problem. It suggests I try /message/reset, but it's grayed out.

It appears that the message only exists in MailMate's internals somewhere, and 
I cannot find it.

So: two things

One: a PGP fail should not leave a message which cannot be deleted in the first 
place and

two: I likely made the situation worse with my mucking about...

but still and all, there should be -some- way to correct this and/or do a 
"force delete". At the very least, a way to rebuild the MM internals from what 
actually is in place on the server. Synchronize did not do it; reset could not 
be invoked.

Suggestions  anyone?

TIA

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[MlMt] Undeletable email

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello

I have an email listed in my Source/Trash folder that does not exists, and I 
cannot remove the (red) entry.

It's my fault: I installed GPG for a bit and then decided I didn't want it. 
Before I removed it however, someone sent me a signed email to which I replied.

The reply failed because I didn't have a signed key. I created a new  unsigned 
email and replied, and then moved the "not signed" email to the trash.

Now it's stuck there. I looked at the trash via Webmail, and it's empty. I 
looked in the mailmate folders and found it in the local trash and so deleted 
it with the finder.

oops.  The red-text listing for the email still appears in my /source/trash 
mailbox in Mailmate, and now I get a message telling me I have an Anti-Virus 
problem. It suggests I try /message/reset, but it's grayed out.

It appears that the message only exists in MailMate's internals somewhere, and 
I cannot find it.

So: two things

One: a PGP fail should not leave a message which cannot be deleted in the first 
place and

two: I likely made the situation worse with my mucking about...

but still and all, there should be -some- way to correct this and/or do a 
"force delete". At the very least, a way to rebuild the MM internals from what 
actually is in place on the server. Synchronize did not do it; reset could not 
be invoked.

Suggestions  anyone?

TIA

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Re: [MlMt] Looking for error cause/name (Bill Cole)

[Tracy Valleau]

Perfect, Bill.  Thank you!

Tracy



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> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:17:10 -0700
> From: Tracy Valleau 
> To: mailmate list 
> Subject: [MlMt] Looking for error cause/name
> Message-ID: <8bdb694d-d190-4a6c-8f90-047f70361...@dlsi.biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Hello.
>
> My host is trying to chase down a synchronization error.
>
> Recent, I got a spate of error boxes upon launch of MM, pointing to something 
> (IN ALL CAPS) that apparently changed  on the host and caused MM to re-sync 
> or re-load all the messages. The ALL CAPS was (I believe) some kind UID.
>
> The message would let me resync once; resync always or (one other thing I 
> can't recall either.)
>
> Problem is, I didn't screenshot the error message, and I cannot remember the 
> actual "UID" mentioned.
>
> If anyone can tell me what I'm thinking of, I'll pass it along to my host as 
> a possible solution.
>
> Anyone know what I'm talking about and what that particular "UID" was 
> actually named?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 06:35:52 +1100
> From: Gavan Schneider 
> To: MailMate Users 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Looking for error cause/name
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; markup=markdown
>
> On 31 Oct 2021, at 5:17, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what I'm talking about and what that particular "UID" was 
>> actually named?
>>
> if it looked like — 51A4B049-ADFB-4609-AB5B-1EEFD264682B
> then that is a unique value, a.k.a UUID and likely used in messages, eg.
>   Message-ID: <8bdb694d-d190-4a6c-8f90-047f70361...@dlsi.biz>
>
> Good luck
>
> Gavan Schneider
> ——
> Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia
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> well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong.
> — H. L. Mencken, 1920
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2021 18:51:00 -0400
> From: Bill Cole 
> To: MailMate Users 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Looking for error cause/name
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>   <7b274147-c51c-4ade-ac25-0c822d226...@billmail.scconsult.com>
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>
> On 2021-10-30 at 14:17:10 UTC-0400 (Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:17:10 -0700)
> Tracy Valleau 
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> My host is trying to chase down a synchronization error.
>>
>> Recent, I got a spate of error boxes upon launch of MM, pointing to
>> something (IN ALL CAPS) that apparently changed  on the host and
>> caused MM to re-sync or re-load all the messages. The ALL CAPS was (I
>> believe) some kind UID.
>>
>> The message would let me resync once; resync always or (one other
>> thing I can't recall either.)
>>
>> Problem is, I didn't screenshot the error message, and I cannot
>> remember the actual "UID" mentioned.
>>
>> If anyone can tell me what I'm thinking of, I'll pass it along to my
>> host as a possible solution.
>>
>> Anyone know what I'm talking about and what that particular "UID" was
>> actually named?
>
> Most likely "UIDVALIDITY"
>
> That is an IMAP parameter that essentially acts as a version number for
> a mailbox. As long as the UIDVALIDITY does not change, a client can
> trust that message unique IDs in that mailbox have not changed, although
> messages with new UIDs may have been added or past messages expunged.
> UIDVALIDITY lifetime is often measured in years.
>
> It makes sense for MM to alert on a UIDVALIDITY change because it
> indicates that a significant event on the IMAP server has occurre

[MlMt] Looking for error cause/name

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello.

My host is trying to chase down a synchronization error.

Recent, I got a spate of error boxes upon launch of MM, pointing to something 
(IN ALL CAPS) that apparently changed  on the host and caused MM to re-sync or 
re-load all the messages. The ALL CAPS was (I believe) some kind UID.

The message would let me resync once; resync always or (one other thing I can't 
recall either.)

Problem is, I didn't screenshot the error message, and I cannot remember the 
actual "UID" mentioned.

If anyone can tell me what I'm thinking of, I'll pass it along to my host as a 
possible solution.

Anyone know what I'm talking about and what that particular "UID" was actually 
named?

Thanks!

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[MlMt] email archiver searching

[Tracy Valleau]

(Sorry, I didn't keep the original thread, but...)

Someone was asking about email archivers and the "best" searching.

I recommended MailSteward previously, so this time I'll point out that it uses 
the industry standard mySQL or SQLite, and so can be searched not only from 
within the MS program itself, but by any standard software that works with 
either of those sql variations.

HTH
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Re: [MlMt] Big Sur problem

[Tracy Valleau]

Try holding down the command key while dragging the application to the desktop. 
Let go of the key and the mouse button, then do it the other way: hold down 
command and drag the app back to your desired folder.

Not saying this IS the solution to your problem, but "failure to update" is a 
common issue, and this always works for me.

hth


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> From: "Randall Meadows" 
> To: "MailMate Users" 
> Subject: [MlMt] Big Sur problem
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed
>
> I just received a new machine; downloaded a new copy of MailMate (5673),
> but copied two items:
>• ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate
>• ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
> from my old computer (running Catalina) to this new one.
>
> I'm now getting the message:
> "Software Update Disabled
> MailMate is running on a read-only filesystem and can therefore not be
> updated."
>
> I don't believe this to be true (although this is my first experience
> with Big Sur  so who knows) since the application itself lives in a
> folder in my home directory (~/Applications/, where I put *all*
> non-Apple applications, and I've not experienced any issues with those
> [yet]).
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> randy
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 19:35:07 -0700
> From: Dave C 
> To: MailMate Users 
> Subject: [MlMt] Choosing fonts and sizes
> Message-ID: <8eb1d456-1d09-4718-8a18-ed881190e...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed;
>   markup=markdown
>
> In the Inbox window, the column head “Date Received” shows only
> dates. I know it can be set to show time for today’s received
> messages, but I can’t figure out how.
>
> Also, I can set the font used when creating a new message and displaying
> a received message, but not how to set the application font (used in the
> menus, and in the “To:”, “Subject:”, and “From:” fields of a
> new message). Surely this can be customized?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 22:39:00 -0400
> From: "Bill Cole" 
> To: "MailMate Users" 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Big Sur problem
> Message-ID:
>   
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed
>
> On 2021-05-13 at 21:51:19 UTC-0400 (Thu, 13 May 2021 19:51:19 -0600)
> Randall Meadows 
> is rumored to have said:
>
>> I just received a new machine; downloaded a new copy of MailMate
>> (5673), but copied two items:
>>   • ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate
>>   • ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
>> from my old computer (running Catalina) to this new one.
>>
>> I'm now getting the message:
>> "Software Update Disabled
>> MailMate is running on a read-only filesystem and can therefore not be
>> updated."
>>
>> I don't believe this to be true (although this is my first experience
>> with Big Sur  so who knows) since the application itself lives in
>> a folder in my home directory (~/Applications/, where I put *all*
>> non-Apple applications, and I've not experienced any issues with those
>> [yet]).
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>
> Fix the symlink at ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages to
> point to either:
>
> 1. ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages.noindex  if you have
> not set a "Custom Location" for your Messages folder.
>
> 2. Wherever your Messages folder actually lives, after copying them
> there from the old system.
>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 22:59:39 -0400
> From: "Steven M. Bellovin" 
> To: MailMate Users 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] Choosing fonts and sizes
> Message-ID: <0b4a938a-f100-4cc5-b134-97f7df00e...@cs.columbia.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> 

Re: [MlMt] Memory Usage (Mail Steward)

[Tracy Valleau]

The interface is simple fill-in-the fields.

I'd suggest visiting the application website, to take a look at it. They do a 
better job of introducing the app than I will.

mailsteward.com

Tracy

On 11 May 2021, at 16:48, Randy Bush wrote:

>> I can do a simple "search everything for the word "duh"
>
> regexp or something like it?
>
> randy
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[MlMt] Memory Usage (Mail Steward)

[Tracy Valleau]

OK: more info on Mail Steward. (I'm just a happy user, and not affiliated, etc 
etc.)

Mail Steward takes the emails and attachments, and stores them on your local 
hard drive (or wherever your mySQL database is stored.)

Because it's mySQL, you can search it both faster and more completely than you 
can with everything residing on your server, and/or using MailMate.

I have my copy update itself automatically from my MailMate mailboxes, twice a 
day, 8AM and 8PM. I also have it set up so that any message marked as "junk" 
(actually any tag I choose in MailMate) are skipped during archiving, so I  
don't have 250,000 Viagra ads.

Searching is just a matter of launching Mail Steward, typing in the search 
criteria, and hitting a button. I don't have 3 million messages, but I do have 
several hundred thousand, and a simple text search takes less than 20 seconds. 
(Like any database search, the time will change depending on your search 
critera.)

I can do a simple "search everything for the word "duh" or I can say "search 
everything for the word "duh" in emails from someone at gmail, and including 
attachments, between January 2015 and January 2017."  That's nothing special to 
Mail Steward; it's just standard mySQL searching.

I do not wait more than 2 seconds for the program to load, because that, again, 
is how mySQL works.

I would suspect that you'd find mySQL to be -significantly- faster and easier 
than using MM.

And instead of a "virtual folder" for searching the last 6 months, you'd have 
all 3 million of them immediately available. I have been archiving mine, 
continuously, since 1998.

I just ran a test: from the time I clicked on MS to launch it, to the time is 
searched through over 300,000 records for the word "Janice" and display all the 
results, was 13 seconds.

Out of curiosity, how long would it take from the first launch of Mail Mate to 
do the same thing?

HTH

T



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> MM now launches and doesn’t quit immediately.
>
> When I am asked for accounts passwords, immediately after entering one I get 
> an alert:
>
> “MailMate failed to save a file to disk. (/Users/macmini//Library/Application 
> Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/[myemail 
> address%40gmail@imap.gmail.con/State.plist_backup). Error: no such file 
> or directory.”
>
> I copied the files (see below) from my previous daily-functioning MM install 
> on my Sierra boot disk to the new Big Sur drive (the entire MM folder, not by 
> opening the folder and selecting all files and dragging those).
>
> Any idea why I’m getting this error?
>
> Thanks,
> Dave
> macOS 11.3.1 Big Sur
> MailMate 1.14
>
> - - -
>
>> To migrate MailMate from Sierra to Big Sur, I moved these folders to 
>> identical locations on the new hard boot drive by dragging and dropping in 
>> Finder:
>>
>> ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate (folder)
>>
>> ~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist
>>
>> All copied. I then downloaded the latest daily MM beta and copied it to the 
>> Applications folder.
>>
>> After booting into Big Sur and launching MailMate, MM quit immediately and 
>> Terminal opened and spit out some errors errors. (Terminal purges previous 
>> output on Quit so those are gone for now. I’ll post what I see when I next 
>> boot BS and run MM.)
>>
>> Is my process correct?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave
>
>
>
>
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[MlMt] Memory usage

[Tracy Valleau]

3 million messages !  Do you really need all of them actively online?

If not, and you are just archiving them, with only the need for infrequent 
access, you might want to consider something like MailSteward.

https://mailsteward.com/

I've been using it for over a decade, and it has never lost an email. That 
allows me to remove the email from my server, and keep significantly less than 
3 million "on hand."

(For three million messages, you'd want the full mySQL version.)

T

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> Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 09:10:32 +0200
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> Subject: [MlMt] Memory usage
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have been looking at the memory usage of mailmate throughout the years. I 
> have concluded it "uses lots of memory".
>
> I have four imap accounts where specifically one have lots of messages. In 
> total I have 2.988.939 messages, and MailMate eats 4.34GByte of memory about 
> half an hour after starting.
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Re: [MlMt] reply is generates wrong addresses

[Tracy Valleau]

Aha!  Thanks David Green for pointing me in the right direction. Not the 
"Email Addresses" but the "Address Pattern:" was at fault. I simply 
disabled it until I get a chance to look more closely.


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[MlMt] reply is generates wrong addresses

[Tracy Valleau]

If I get this email:


From:   ANN 
Subject:Re: May 2021 invoice
Date:   April 8, 2021 at 1:04 PM
To: ME 

and I hit reply I get

From: ME 


In a reply, The from should be ME 
the to should be ANN 

This is massively messed up!

My Contacts list is fine. Can I purge something to get this working again?

MailMate Version 1.14 (5792)

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[MlMt] English grammar correction

[Tracy Valleau]

The button that appears in the dialog when the word "attachment" is 
found in the text, but no attachment is linked in the email (which is 
nanny-overkill, IMHO) should be


"Send anyway?"

not

"Send anyways?"

'anyways' is an informal dialect. It may be used, but so is "ain't".

And it ain't right to use it anyways.

:-)
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[MlMt] How do I turn off the banners?

[Tracy Valleau]

Latest version have banners telling me "Sent from mailing list named..." 
and warnings about HTML images.


Fine and dandy, but I know all that stuff.

How do I turn off the banners?

Tracy
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[MlMt] Files to keep, to start over from scratch (kind of)

[Tracy Valleau]

Just curious, are you experiencing that from within a smart folder? I 
ask because I had a smartfolder that gathered the contents of several 
mailboxes (ie Spam, trash, junk and so on) and that would crash 
regularly on Command D. I reported that particular thing a year or so 
ago. The situation seemed to get better a few months ago, but I gave up 
on that particular technique, it was so crash-prone.


Good luck!  :-)


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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:30:14 -0600
From: "Randall Meadows" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: [MlMt] Files to keep, to start over from scratch (kind of)
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed

In an effort to try to eliminate a very annoying crashing bug in
MailMate that apparently only I am experiencing and that Benny cannot
replicate (this is not a ding on Benny, at all, I'm just saying...) I 
am

going to try starting over from scratch.

I want to delete all traces of MailMate and reinstall, and then slowly
add back in my accounts and try to figure out what triggers the crash.
To try to makes this painful process as least painful as possible, I'd
like to keep a record of my settings and accounts and likewise try to
figure out if one of these is the culprit.

In /Users/randy/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ I'll retain
(stored in a different place, of course):
- Identities.plist
- Resources/KeyBinding/randy.plist
- Sources.plist
- Tags.plist

Are there any other files I may want to hold onto that will help me 
get
back to normal along this journey?  Or ones I've listed that are 
really

not necessary?


Thanks!
randy

PS - For those interested, the crashing bug is: pressing ⌘-D to 
delete
multiple messages one at a time in sequence quickly makes MM go 
*boom*.

As in:

⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D = NO *boom*


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Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:42:31 -0400
From: "Sam Hathaway" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] Files to keep, to start over from scratch (kind
of)
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; format=flowed

Why not keep the whole ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate 
directory

(moved elsewhere, of course)? And you’ll also want a copy of
~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist, I think.
-sam

On 22 May 2020, at 19:30, Randall Meadows wrote:


In an effort to try to eliminate a very annoying crashing bug in
MailMate that apparently only I am experiencing and that Benny cannot
replicate (this is not a ding on Benny, at all, I'm just saying...) I
am going to try starting over from scratch.

I want to delete all traces of MailMate and reinstall, and then 
slowly
add back in my accounts and try to figure out what triggers the 
crash.

 To try to makes this painful process as least painful as possible,
I'd like to keep a record of my settings and accounts and likewise 
try

to figure out if one of these is the culprit.

In /Users/randy/Library/Application Support/MailMate/ I'll retain
(stored in a different place, of course):
- Identities.plist
- Resources/KeyBinding/randy.plist
- Sources.plist
- Tags.plist

Are there any other files I may want to hold onto that will help me
get back to normal along this journey?  Or ones I've listed that are
really not necessary?


Thanks!
randy

PS - For those interested, the crashing bug is: pressing ⌘-D to
delete multiple messages one at a time in sequence quickly makes MM 
go

*boom*.  As in:

⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D⌘-D = *boom*
⌘-D = NO *boom*



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[MlMt] Ideas to reduce the footprint of MailMate

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello,

Do you really need 200,000 emails to be instantly available to you, or 
are you using 99% of that just to store old emails?


If the latter, then you could inprove your situation immensely by using 
an email archiver, such as Horcrux, or (my preferred) MailSteward (which 
I have been using for well over a decade.)


These will move your emails into a database, and allow you to remove 
them from your server (ie: delete them).


I filter out my spam first, and then use MailSteward to archive the 
rest. It has never failed me, and is quite fast at finding emails. My 
collection goes back to 1993.


You can use either the SQLite version, or the MySQL version. I used 
MySQL for a very long time, and then realized that I really never 
referred to 20-year old emails, so I put them into a SQLite table, and 
saved it out separately. I can load it in if I ever need to find an old 
email, and now I keep only the past 6 or so years active in MailSteward 
at any one time. My own copy of MailMail usually runs a total < 50 
active emails, so it is lightning fast, and resource light. If I really 
need to see an old email, I just run MailSteward and look it up. In 
practice, I may do that twice a week or so.


Note that this works because while I have probably 30 email addresses on 
my server (I'm a developer), I have them all forward to a single 
mailbox. I did that originally because that way I only needed one email 
account in MailMate (the account everything is forwarded to) and MM can 
still filter everything based on the original address a given email was 
sent to. MUCH more efficient than checking 30 different accounts from my 
computer!


AND, that in turn allows me to use MailSteward, which is designed for 
Apple Mail, but conveniently has a "also collect emails from this 
folder" which I have filled with my local storage: 
"file:///Users/tracyv/Library/Application%20Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/tracy%2540mymail@mail.mymail.org/INBOX.mailbox/dreamhost.mailbox/"


Upshot? I have every non-spam email I've received for the past 27 years, 
and I can find any given one of them almost instantly.


Works for me, but of course YMMV.

HTH


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[MlMt] icon "double" clicking?

[Tracy Valleau]

I recently updated 10.15.4 with yesterday's "security" update. While I 
cannot say that's the reason, here's what I'm seeing today:


Using the trashcan icon* to delete an email deletes (moves to the trash) 
not only the selected email, but the one directly below it. Command Z 
returns them both to the inbox.


However, using the keyboard's delete key works properly, and only the 
single selected item is moved to the trash.


*actually, it's any button with an email selected. Trash, Archive, Junk 
- they all operate on the selected, and the following item.


It's almost like some kind of keystroke bounce: two clicks for the price 
of one. (That's not it, however: I checked.)


Is this happening to just me?  (versions 1.13.1 (5680 and 81)
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Re: [MlMt] "Software Update Disabled" (Eric Sharakan)

[Tracy Valleau]

Try this:

find Mailmate in your apps folder.
Hold down the command key and drag it to the desktop
Again, hold down the command key and drag it back into the apps folder.

See if it works.

Tracy Valleau
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   2. Re: condition for over a month (or two) old (Randy Bush)
   3. Re: condition for over a month (or two) old (Robert Brenstein)
   4. Re: "Software Update Disabled" (Eric Sharakan)
   5. Re: condition for over a month (or two) old (Randy Bush)
   6. Re: "Software Update Disabled" (Thomas Baker)
   7. Re: "Software Update Disabled" (Denis Ricard)
   8. Re: "Software Update Disabled" (Thomas Baker)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:00:43 +0100
From: Thomas Baker 
To: mailmate@lists.freron.com
Subject: [MlMt] "Software Update Disabled"
Message-ID: <20200310100042.ga18...@cicero.speedport.ip>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I am trying to set up MailMate on macOS Catalina 10.15.3.
When I open MailMate, I get a message:

Software Update Disabled

MailMate is running on a read-only file system and
can therefore not be updated.

If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then
moving it out of the Downloads folder should solve
the problem.

I installed from MailMateBeta.tbz into the /Applications
folder.  The permissions of that folder were initially:

drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 96 Oct 24 15:33 MailMate.app/

I changed the permissions to my personal account:

drwxr-xr-x 3 tbaker staff 96 Oct 24 15:33 MailMate.app/

But I still get the message.

I suppose I could just check the box for "Do not show
this message again", but I'd like to understand what
folder MailMate thinks is read-only (and whether this
could cause trouble in other ways).

Many thanks,
Tom



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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 03:57:37 -0700
From: Randy Bush 
To: "Patrik Fältström via mailmate"  
Subject: Re: [MlMt] condition for over a month (or two) old
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

doh.  thanks.  i had not explored the sub-selectors of 'date.'  silly
me.

thanks again.

randy


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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 12:13:45 +0100
From: "Robert Brenstein" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] condition for over a month (or two) old
Message-ID:
<98bb4627-5a10-41dc-b7c4-44f79d0b9...@learning-insights.eu>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I find that date-received is more reliable than just date. I think
because it comes from MM.

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doh.  thanks.  i had not explored the sub-selectors of 'date.'  silly
me.

thanks again.

randy

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 07:40:19 -0400
From: "Eric Sharakan" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] "Software Update Disabled"
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Hi, In Catalina, the root filesystem is actually read-only, and MacOS
performs some interesting tricks to make that work while allowing 
third

party SW to be installed, making it generally completely invisible to
users.  So perhaps you somehow copied MailMate into this read-only
partition?

To see the "writeable" /Applications folder, look at
/System/Volumes/Data/Applications/ in Terminal.  If MailMate is not in
there, then you need to move it there.  If it is there, make sure 
there
are no other copies anywhere.  If it still fails, this could be a bug 
in

the Beta version of MailMate.

Hope this helps.

-Eric

On 10 Mar 2020, at 6:00, Thomas Baker wrote:


I am trying to set up MailMate on macOS Catalina 10.15.3.
When I open MailMate, I get a message:

Software Update Disabled

MailMate is running on a read-only file system and
can therefore not be updated.

If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then
moving it out of the Downloads folder should solv

[MlMt] disable warning message?

[Tracy Valleau]

How do I disable this warning: "Open link in untrusted message?" when I 
click on a link in an email marked as untrusted?


Tracy
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[MlMt] smart mailbox crash emptying trash (remove all discarded messages)

[Tracy Valleau]

I have a smart mailbox set to show the contents of

deleted messages
Junk

and some of my online mailboxes for the account main:

main-trash
main-spam
main-junk
main-deleted messages

If I do a select-all, delete, delete sequence on the contents of this 
smart mailbox, most of the time, MailMate will crash.


If I do a select-all, delete and then highlight the Deleted Messages 
mailbox, and control-click, and select "Empty Deleted Messages", it will 
not usually crash.


Obviously, I'm simply trying to remove all the spam/trash/junk/deleted 
in one fell swoop instead of having to empty six different mailboxes 
each time.


Is there a better way to achieve this?


Tracy
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Bill,

Thank you for the considered answer and education regarding message
priority. I was unaware that Priority designations are non-standard.
After reading your reply I think that I will just use the Subject 
field
to designate the Priority/Importance/Urgency of my outgoing emails 
that

are either High or Low Priority/Importance/Urgency.

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[MlMt] dreamhost spam

[Tracy Valleau]

I've been on Dreamhost for well over a decade.

My advice: turn off their filtering and let SpamSieve do it.

Here's a good starting point for everything you want to know about DH 
filtering:


https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/215686487-How-do-I-configure-my-Anti-spam-settings-

hth

Tracy

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   2. Re: How is spam filteirng working with detection is
  disabled?! (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
   3. Re: Cannot manually Apply Rules (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
   4. Re: More MailMate woes (Benny Kjær Nielsen)
   5. Re: More MailMate woes (Randall Meadows)
   6. Re: More MailMate woes (Benny Kjær Nielsen)


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From: "Randall Meadows" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: [MlMt] More MailMate woes
Message-ID: <1ea135cd-3f47-41d0-b34b-cc2c86e7e...@not-pc.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown

After the SpamSieve drone fiasco I mentioned yesterday, I'm not so 
sure

I am as much at fault as I thought; I'm happy to be proven wrong, if I
can figure out what's going on.

Said SpamSieve drone was a completely new installation, so I don't 
think
it has anything to do with "leftover" data.  But what was happening 
was,
just about all messages were ending up in my Spam mailbox, even 
messages

I get regularly from senders that I've been getting for years with no
problem.

I investigated further today, and every messages in the Spam mailbox 
had

these headers (inserted by DreamHost's anti-spam service, which I am
unable to disable):

X-VR-STATUS:
X-VR-SCORE:
X-VR-SPAMCAUSE:

The values varied, of course, but the one constant was, every message
that had a non-zero X-VR-SCORE (which was most of them, like 90+%) was
moved to the spam mailbox.  Now, after disabling the drone, I'm 
getting

all the messages filtered (locally) into the correct mailboxes, but
still all those non-zero scored messages have the yellow header with
[Mark as Not Junk] [ Load Once] [ Move to Junk]
buttons.

I can only assume that MailMate is heeding these X-VR-* headers and
considering every message with a non-zero score as "spammy", yielding
the yellow banner and buttons.  Is this correct?

If so...has there been a recent change in MM that might affect this?  
(I

can't recall when I last updated, but this issue "coincidentally"
started after my aforementioned SpamSieve drone problem, but since 
I've

now eliminated SpamSieve from the equation, now I I'm sure what to
think.

I'm about to completely nuke my MM installation and start from 
scratch,

just in case I've mucked up something unbeknownst to me, so if anyone
has ideas that can save me from that pain, I'd appreciate it!


randy


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From: "Benny Kjær Nielsen" 
To: "MailMate Users" 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] How is spam filteirng working with detection is
disabled?!
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On 20 Sep 2018, at 22:23, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 20 Sep 2018, at 14:20, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 20 Sep 2018, at 3:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Within MailMate the only two ways are the SpamSieve-integration or
mailbox rules. If you don't use SpamSieve then try sending me the
following file (off list):

/Users//Library/Application
Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist


Here ya go.


You have a lot of rules in different mailboxes, but I don't see 
anything

moving emails to mailboxes named something like spam or junk.


Well, crap...that's what I get for multi-tasking and not paying
attention.  Hope there's no sensitive data in there... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


I don't think anyone would care much about the data in the file. The
biggest problem is that some email addresses might be scraped by some
spam-address-collecting robot, but I suspect they would skip `.plist`
files.

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Message-ID: 

[MlMt] mail,box rules?

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello

Long ago and far away, I added a rule (to the inbox, I thought) that 
moved an incoming email from a particular person to a particular 
mailbox. (For some reason, ONLY that one person was ALWAYS recognized as 
spam, so this worked around it.)


I probably have 80 mailboxes, and I have painstakingly control-clicked 
on every one of them, looking for that rule. I cannot find it.


So now I'm wondering if there is some XML for other plain-english 
location in (say) application support/mailmate (or somewhere) that holds 
all the rules. Perhaps if I can find that (Iand  it exists, of course) I 
can find and delete my old, unwanted, invisible,  rule, and quit 
filtering his stuff.


Any suggestions?

Tracy
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Re: [MlMt] odd behavior

[Tracy Valleau]

Excellent suggestions. Thank you, Eric.

Tracy
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> From: "Tracy Valleau" 
> To: "mailmate list" 
> Subject: [MlMt] odd behavior
> Message-ID: <1e29cd04-a341-4a9a-b1a5-07572b9b3...@dlsi.biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
>
> This is odd:
>
> Here is the message as I sent it, and as copied from the text when I
> click reply to the sent message:
>
> Thank you, Sohaib.
>
> I tried the code with and without the leading period, usually required
> by CSS
>
> Unfortunately, it did nothing. The button was still the tiny system
> button.
>
> However, here is the code that did work:
>
> .wc-stripe-checkout-button {
> font-size: 20px;
> padding: 12px 21px;
> letter-spacing: 1px;
> line-height: 15px;
> color: white;
> background-color: #78bca1;
> }
>
> The changes are I removed the leading "button" in your code, and added a
> few ""
>
> I'm send this along just in case you folks keep a scrapbook of these
> code-blocks: you might want to correct the "button" entry.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Tracy
>
> Here is the exact same message, as it was saved to my "sent" folder when
> I originally replied:
>
> Thank you, Sohaib.
>
> I tried the code with and without the leading period, usually required
> by CSS
>
> Unfortunately, it did nothing. The button was still the tiny system
> button.
>
> However, here is the code that did work:
>
> .wc-stripe-checkout-button {
> font-size: 20px;
> padding: 12px 21px;
> letter-spacing: 1px;
> line-height: 15px;
> color: white;
> background-color: #78bca1;
> }
>
> The changes are I removed the leading "button" in your code, and added a
> few ""
>
> I'm send this along just in case you folks keep a scrapbook of these
> code-blocks: you might want to correct the "button" entry.
>
> Thanks again for your help.
>
> Tracy
>
> Notice that the CSS code is not the same. The "" is missing, both in the
> code, and at the end of the next line, at [ ... and added a few "" ]
>
> is being snipped out of the message where ever it occurs.
>
> Tracy
> www.valleau.art
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 14:23:06 -0400
> From: "Eric Sharakan" 
> To: "MailMate Users" 
> Subject: Re: [MlMt] odd behavior
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
>
> Hi Tracy, I can think of a couple things for you to try:
>
> - Switch to 'plain text' from 'Markdown' in the composer window dropdown
> (as I'm doing for this reply)
> - Keep Markdown, and wrap the CSS code between triple backticks like so:
>
> ```
> .wc-stripe-checkout-button {
> font-size: 20px;
> padding: 12px 21px;
> letter-spacing: 1px;
> line-height: 15px;
> color: white;
> background-color: #78bca1;
> }
> ```
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> -Eric
>
> On 3 Sep 2018, at 13:57, Tracy Valleau wrote:
>
>> This is odd:
>>
>> Here is the message as I sent it, and as copied from the text when I
>> click reply to the sent message:
>>
>> Thank you, Sohaib.
>>
>> I tried the code with and without the leading period, usually required
>> by CSS
>>
>> Unfortunately, it did nothing. The button was still the tiny system
>> button.
>>
>> However, here is the code that did work:
>>
>> .wc-stripe-checkout-button {
>> font-size: 20px;
>> padding: 12px 21px;
>> letter-spacing: 1px;
>> line-height: 15px;
>> color: white;
>> background-color: #78bca1;
>> }
>>
>> The changes are I removed the leading "button" in your code, and added
>> a few ""
>>
>> I

[MlMt] odd behavior

[Tracy Valleau]

This is odd:

Here is the message as I sent it, and as copied from the text when I 
click reply to the sent message:


Thank you, Sohaib.

I tried the code with and without the leading period, usually required 
by CSS


Unfortunately, it did nothing. The button was still the tiny system 
button.


However, here is the code that did work:

.wc-stripe-checkout-button {
font-size: 20px;
padding: 12px 21px;
letter-spacing: 1px;
line-height: 15px;
color: white;
background-color: #78bca1;
}

The changes are I removed the leading "button" in your code, and added a 
few ""


I'm send this along just in case you folks keep a scrapbook of these 
code-blocks: you might want to correct the "button" entry.


Thanks again for your help.

Tracy

Here is the exact same message, as it was saved to my "sent" folder when 
I originally replied:


Thank you, Sohaib.

I tried the code with and without the leading period, usually required 
by CSS


Unfortunately, it did nothing. The button was still the tiny system 
button.


However, here is the code that did work:

.wc-stripe-checkout-button {
font-size: 20px;
padding: 12px 21px;
letter-spacing: 1px;
line-height: 15px;
color: white;
background-color: #78bca1;
}

The changes are I removed the leading "button" in your code, and added a 
few ""


I'm send this along just in case you folks keep a scrapbook of these 
code-blocks: you might want to correct the "button" entry.


Thanks again for your help.

Tracy

Notice that the CSS code is not the same. The "" is missing, both in the 
code, and at the end of the next line, at [ ... and added a few "" ]


is being snipped out of the message where ever it occurs.

Tracy
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[MlMt] delete one email clears entire mailbox

[Tracy Valleau]

My email has been 100% reliable for a decade now. So has MailMate, 
mostly.


The last couple of betas 5511-16 (I think)  have twice done this:

As I was going thru my inbox, deleting emails one by one, suddenly the 
entire contest of the  inbox, more than a dozen emails in each case, 
disappeared. The first time I thought it was a fluke and ignored it. 
Today I investigated.


First I looked thru Mailmate. No where to be found.

Then I went to webmail (my mail is provided by Dreamhost) and found them 
in the inbox, each one greyed out... apparently marked as read.


I unmarked two that I wanted to keep (the rest I didn't care about) and 
marked them as "unread". They immediately appeared in MM's inbox.


NONE of the greyed-out ones appeared in MM anywhere.

Then a few seconds (15 or so) later, they -did- appear again in the 
inbox, marked as read.


The sudden disappearance of the contents of the ibox is more than a 
little disconcerting of course.  I would have let it go as a 
one-time-thing... until it happened again this morning.




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[MlMt] sig placement issue

[Tracy Valleau]

Using 1.1.0 (5460)

Setting prefs for the signature placement to "top"   has no effect. It's 
always placed at the bottom for me.


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Re: [MlMt] forwarding HTML emails

[Tracy Valleau]

Again, my thanks, Robert. That was indeed the issue. All resolved now.

Tracy
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On 18 Jan 2018, at 9:27, Tracy Valleau wrote:

Thanks, Robert. Yours is a very good suggestion, and I'll check my 
configs soon!


Thank you.

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To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] forwarding HTML emails
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I have been using MM for one year only but I haven’t seen any real
issues with forwarding HTML mails. If I forward the whole mail, and I 
do
it almost daily, it seem to be quoted intact. I can see that using 
the

preview in composer (composer itself displays only the text).
Occasionally, a forwarded email will become an attachment but I 
suspect
that has to do with how that email was formatted or rather embedded 
on
the way to me. If I select a subset of HTML-formatted email to 
forward,

MM strips the original HTML code and replaces with simple color-coded
quoting layers. It is not always optimal but I understand that it is
virtually impossible to correctly carry on a subset of an
HTML/CSS-formatted email, considering how widely different and not
always correct those are set up. I can turn on markdown mode and bold 
or

italic some texts as needed.

Since you are such a long-time user, I wonder whether you do not have
some settings set that affect the way your instance of MM operates. 
May
be you should carefully review your config file (I use Prefs Editor 
app

for easy viewing).

Robert

On 17 Jan 2018, at 21:21, Tracy Valleau wrote:


This is fundamentally problematic because "just forward them" does
not
 have a well-defined technical meaning other than embedding the 
full

 original message as an attachment.


I was simplifying to express my request clearly.

HTML email is a few headers and HTML content. It is not any more
complex than a web page, basically.

The issue is that when forwarding, MM strips out all the HTML code.
Try viewing the source of an HTML email and you'll see what I mean.

My point is that the original source is IN the email, else I'd not 
see

it all prettified, eh? So it's there.

Why not "just" forward ALL that original source? The head, the 
tables,

the divs, the body... That way the recipient would see what I see.

I can understand not doing it for "political" reasons ("all email
should be text"). What I don't understand is why it isn't an option.
Mail can do it; Outlook can do it; Thunderbird can do it; PostBox 
can

do it... 

As a programmer with over 40 years of experience, I -can- understand
boxing one's self in to a point at which integrating the capability 
is

a huge amount of work. That would be a legitimate reason for not
offering it (albeit unfortunate.)

But from a USER perspective, not being able to "just forward" HTML
email is odd, and from a recipient's standpoint... well in my 4
decades, I've -never- received an email that said "to see the html
version, click on the attachment."

Best wishes, 

Tracy
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To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] forwarding HTML emails
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Thanks for that tip!

On 18 Jan 2018, at 9:25, Robert Brenstein wrote:


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Thanks, Robert. Yours is a very good suggestion, and I'll check my 
configs soon!


Thank you.

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Subject: Re: [MlMt] forwarding HTML emails
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

I have been using MM for one year only but I haven’t seen any real
issues with forwarding HTML mails. If I forward the whole mail, and I 
do

it almost daily, it seem to be quoted intact. I can see that using the
preview in composer (composer itself displays only the text).
Occasionally, a forwarded email will become an attachment but I 
suspect

that has to do with how that email was formatted or rather embedded on
the way to me. If I select a subset of HTML-formatted email to 
forward,

MM strips the original HTML code and replaces with simple color-coded
quoting layers. It is not always optimal but I understand that it is
virtually impossible to correctly carry on a subset of an
HTML/CSS-formatted email, considering how widely different and not
always correct those are set up. I can turn on markdown mode and bold 
or

italic some texts as needed.

Since you are such a long-time user, I wonder whether you do not have
some settings set that affect the way your instance of MM operates. 
May
be you should carefully review your config file (I use Prefs Editor 
app

for easy viewing).

Robert

On 17 Jan 2018, at 21:21, Tracy Valleau wrote:


This is fundamentally problematic because "just forward them" does
not
 have a well-defined technical meaning other than embedding the full
 original message as an attachment.


I was simplifying to express my request clearly.

HTML email is a few headers and HTML content. It is not any more
complex than a web page, basically.

The issue is that when forwarding, MM strips out all the HTML code.
Try viewing the source of an HTML email and you'll see what I mean.

My point is that the original source is IN the email, else I'd not 
see

it all prettified, eh? So it's there.

Why not "just" forward ALL that original source? The head, the 
tables,

the divs, the body... That way the recipient would see what I see.

I can understand not doing it for "political" reasons ("all email
should be text"). What I don't understand is why it isn't an option.
Mail can do it; Outlook can do it; Thunderbird can do it; PostBox can
do it... 

As a programmer with over 40 years of experience, I -can- understand
boxing one's self in to a point at which integrating the capability 
is

a huge amount of work. That would be a legitimate reason for not
offering it (albeit unfortunate.)

But from a USER perspective, not being able to "just forward" HTML
email is odd, and from a recipient's standpoint... well in my 4
decades, I've -never- received an email that said "to see the html
version, click on the attachment."

Best wishes, 

Tracy
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To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
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Thanks for that tip!

On 18 Jan 2018, at 9:25, Robert Brenstein wrote:


(I use Prefs Editor app for easy viewing).



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Re: [MlMt] forwarding HTML emails

[Tracy Valleau]

Thank you for your comments, Bill.

Not if you're using the 2.0BETA series, which has a plethora of 
controls
for perpetuating a bad idea in the Composer panel of the 
Preferences...


I really just wanted an answer, not a political comment on whether or 
not HTML email is "a bad idea".

HTML email is -a reality- with which one must deal.

I started writing code in 1978, and was using email before most people 
on this list were likely born. I'm not a big fan of HTML email myself, 
but if I get one, and need to forward it to a client, then the client 
should see what I saw, not an attachment.


Almost every other email client in the world does this.


If so, I'm curious as to why, technically. Since MM can show HTML
emails now,


When couldn't it?


It couldn't in the first versions, when I started using it. (Mine was 
order #63, Jan 12, 2011.)



This is fundamentally problematic because "just forward them" does not
have a well-defined technical meaning other than embedding the full
original message as an attachment.


I was simplifying to express my request clearly.

HTML email is a few headers and HTML content. It is not any more complex 
than a web page, basically.


The issue is that when forwarding, MM strips out all the HTML code. Try 
viewing the source of an HTML email and you'll see what I mean.


My point is that the original source is IN the email,  else I'd not see 
it all prettified, eh? So it's there.


Why not "just" forward ALL that original source? The head, the tables, 
the divs, the body... That way  the recipient would see what I see.


I can understand not doing it for "political" reasons ("all email should 
be text"). What I don't understand is why it isn't an option. Mail can 
do it; Outlook can do it; Thunderbird can do it; PostBox can do it...


As a programmer with over 40 years of experience, I -can- understand 
boxing one's self in to a point at which integrating the capability is a 
huge amount of work. That would be a legitimate reason for not offering 
it (albeit unfortunate.)


But from a USER perspective, not being able to "just forward" HTML email 
is odd, and from a recipient's standpoint... well in my 4 decades, I've 
-never- received an email that said "to see the html version, click on 
the attachment."


Best wishes,

Tracy
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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 00:02:56 -0500
From: "Bill Cole" <mmlist-20120...@billmail.scconsult.com>
To: "MailMate Users" <mailmate@lists.freron.com>
Subject: Re: [MlMt] forwarding HTML emails
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On 16 Jan 2018, at 18:00 (-0500), Tracy Valleau wrote:


Hello
Do I take it that  forwarding HTML emails can still only be done via
attachment?


Not if you're using the 2.0BETA series, which has a plethora of 
controls
for perpetuating a bad idea in the Composer panel of the 
Preferences...



If so, I'm curious as to why, technically. Since MM can show HTML
emails now,


When couldn't it? I adopted MM circa v1.5 and my first pestering of
Benny was to work out how to make it easier to config MM to only 
render

HTML when absolutely needed.


why can't it (just)  forward them?


This is fundamentally problematic because "just forward them" does not
have a well-defined technical meaning other than embedding the full
original message as an attachment. If you want something else, I 
*THINK*

the MM options for tweaking HTML forwarding should give you something
you can live with.

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Subject: [MlMt] Security
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Hi,

I'm interested in trying out MailMate. Questions: Is my password to my 
email account or my email address stored anywhere? Or sent anywhere? 
Is there any assurance of that?


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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 08:33:57 +0100
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On 17 Jan 2018, at 8:27, uncat wrote:


Hi,

I'm interested in trying out MailMate. Questions: Is my password to 
my

email account or my email address stored anywhere? Or sent anywhere?
Is there any assurance of that?

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Hi 

[MlMt] forwarding HTML emails

[Tracy Valleau]

Hello
Do I take it that  forwarding HTML emails can still only be done via 
attachment?


If so, I'm curious as to why, technically. Since MM can show HTML emails 
now, why can't it (just)  forward them?


Tracy
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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 81, Issue 14

[Tracy Valleau]

Neither of which, though, do "versioned" backups like TM does, right?
You only get the most recent "snapshot" of the drive, not any history 
of

any items?



Wrong.

Chronosync will do -better- than TM at keeping "versions". You can set 
it to specifically track only certain files or folders; set it to back 
up as often as you like (every 5 minutes? every 20 minutes? Whatever you 
like.)


It doesn't have the too-cute Starwars interface, but it works just fine.


Tracy
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Subject: [MlMt] . Re: High Sierra, APFS, Time Machine, and MailMate.
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As an Apple Developer since 1978, I can say that I quit using TM years
ago. It is a consumer-level product, with modest capabilities and
horrible reliability.

You asked for a solution. You need more robust backup software, which
offers a mimicking of TM.

Two extremely reliable options are Carbon Copy Cloner and Chronosync.
Both can be configured to run automatically whenever you like.

Chronosync is extremely versatile, and can out-do TM in its level of
granularity.


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I have had this situation for many YEARS, long before I got MailMate.
The overall symptom is that backups take *many hours*, with sudden,
inexplicable stalls. I say

"inexplicable" because Activity Monitor shows essentially no CPU,
network, or disk activity -- but the backup just *stops*.


The problem is worse, the more Time Machine needs to back up. And for
reasons I have never figured out, even a routine backup on TM (of a
few
hours of material) can have 5GB of files to go through. As a result, 
I

can get into a situation where TM is completely unable to get up to
date.

So I don’t know a solution, but don’t be too sure that it is
really
due to MM. If anyone finds a solution, please drop me a line!
   One thing that helps is to switch from WiFi to a hard ethernet
connection. For some reason, TM is considerably faster that way.

  Roger Bohn, UC San Diego
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On 10 Dec 2017, at 18:14, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:


Seems like an improbable subject line--but is anyone else who uses
MailMate on High Sierra/APFS suddenly having serious Time Machine
performance issues? I am, on two different laptops. An iMac, which
has
a hard drive and hence HFS+, is not having any trouble.

The overall symptom is that backups take *many hours*, with sudden,
inexplicable stalls. I say "inexplicable" because Activity Monitor
shows essentially no CPU, network, or disk activity -- but the 
backup

just *stops*. I normally don't run MailMate on one of the laptops;
its
backups complete in a rational amount of time. When I do, it sees 
the

same stalls. In fac

[MlMt] . Re: High Sierra, APFS, Time Machine, and MailMate.

[Tracy Valleau]

As an Apple Developer since 1978, I can say that I quit using TM years 
ago. It is a consumer-level product, with modest capabilities and 
horrible reliability.


You asked for a solution. You need more robust backup software, which 
offers a mimicking of TM.


Two extremely reliable options are Carbon Copy Cloner and Chronosync. 
Both can be configured to run automatically whenever you like.


Chronosync is extremely versatile, and can out-do TM in its level of 
granularity.



Tracy
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I have had this situation for many YEARS, long before I got MailMate.
The overall symptom is that backups take *many hours*, with sudden,
inexplicable stalls. I say

"inexplicable" because Activity Monitor shows essentially no CPU,
network, or disk activity -- but the backup just *stops*.


The problem is worse, the more Time Machine needs to back up. And for
reasons I have never figured out, even a routine backup on TM (of a 
few

hours of material) can have 5GB of files to go through. As a result, I
can get into a situation where TM is completely unable to get up to
date.

So I don’t know a solution, but don’t be too sure that it is 
really

due to MM. If anyone finds a solution, please drop me a line!
   One thing that helps is to switch from WiFi to a hard ethernet
connection. For some reason, TM is considerably faster that way.

  Roger Bohn, UC San Diego
rb...@ucsd.edu

On 10 Dec 2017, at 18:14, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:


Seems like an improbable subject line--but is anyone else who uses
MailMate on High Sierra/APFS suddenly having serious Time Machine
performance issues? I am, on two different laptops. An iMac, which 
has

a hard drive and hence HFS+, is not having any trouble.

The overall symptom is that backups take *many hours*, with sudden,
inexplicable stalls. I say "inexplicable" because Activity Monitor
shows essentially no CPU, network, or disk activity -- but the backup
just *stops*. I normally don't run MailMate on one of the laptops; 
its

backups complete in a rational amount of time. When I do, it sees the
same stalls. In fact, I'm running MailMate on it right now so that I
can see what happens on my primary laptop when I exit MailMate. Sure
enough, that machine is now behaving.

My suspicion is that the problem has to do with very large 
directories
on APFS file systems, but I don't know that for sure. I have some 
very

large mailboxes, though, and these are of course active when MailMate
is running.  And of course, that doesn't explain why I don't see any
system activity.

Is anyone else seeing this? Does anyone have any work-arounds, other
than "don't have such large mailboxes" or "don't run APFS"? I do have
a new laptop on order; I'm seriously tempted to reformat it as HFS+
before I start using it.


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[MlMt] the Magic Sig

[Tracy Valleau]

Thanks, Fredrik.

Yes, I knew that if I simply turned off sigs, that problem would go 
away. That of course, leaves me to manually enter the sig each and every 
time, which is hardly an optimal solution.


MailMate also remembers your selection per recipient, really 
convenient.


Unless you're s ending to multiple recipients...   However, I wonder if 
that is actually the root of the problem. Perhaps that should be turned 
off, if a sig is automatically present in the new, blank email.




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Hi

I have a sig that is automatically entered when I choose to create a 
new

email. (Default placement: top*; caret placement "above signature")

If I decide I don't want it, and delete it, and type some text in the
body, and THEN select a recipient, the sig automagically appears 
_above_

my text again the instant I hit enter for the recipient.

What am I failing to understand here?

* top or bottom makes no difference.

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Tracy Valleau 2017-09-02 18:18 wrote:


If I decide I don't want it, and delete it, and type some text in the
body, and THEN select a recipient, the sig automagically appears
_above_ my text again the instant I hit enter for the recipient.


Set "None" for signature in the "Signature" popup instead and it will
work.

MailMate also remembers your selection per recipient, really 
convenient.


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[MlMt] adding multiple SMTP servers

[Tracy Valleau]

Sorry to be so dull, but where will I find the instructions for the new 
feature of 5358: "to manually (low level) setup multiple SMTP servers 
for 1 IMAP account." I looked around, but failed to find them.


Thank you.

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[MlMt] consolidated inbox suddenly not consolidating

[Tracy Valleau]

Hi

Today, I noticed that my consolidated Inbox (MAILBOXES/Inbox) is no 
longer showing the contents of my other specific inboxes. (No, this is 
not an inadvertant search thing either. It just isn't working.) Count 
also displays nothing.


Equally, and probably for the same reason, I'm no longer getting a 
button in the menubar listing the number of received emails.


This -seems- to have started when I tried to email myself a developer's 
".mobileconfig" for installation on my iPad. (Yes, I'm a registered 
Apple Developer.) MailMate really didn't like trying to attach that 
file, and I got the SPOD.


I did the usual restart, and even a reinstall of several versions of MM. 
I looked in at least one .plist but couldn't find anything apparent.


I'm guessing something needs the cobwebs swept out, or some kind of 
rebuild... but obviously I didn't find it on my own.


Any suggestions?

MM 1.9.4 (5249) (altho it happens with previous versions too: I tried.)
OS 10.11.5 w/32GB RAM

TIA

Tracy
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