Re: [MlMt] Fastmail and Runbox: trying to choose

[Eric A. Meyer]

On 13 Apr 2017, at 12:04, Eric A. Meyer wrote:


Hello all…


Many thanks for the great responses!  Richard, Scott, Pedro-- I owe each 
of you at least one fine beverage of your choice, if ever we should meet 
in person.



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Re: [MlMt] Fastmail and Runbox: trying to choose

[Pedro Lobo]

Ah, there they are! Thanks Kai, I totally missed that! In that case, 
adding tags/flags server side can probably be done using 
[this](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sieve-imapflags-05) 
extension.


Cheers,
Pedro

On 14 Apr 2017, at 13:18, Kai von Fintel wrote:

Just a note about FastMail's server side rules: they are as powerful 
as ever. You just need to go into advanced settings: 
https://www.fastmail.com/help/technical/sieve.html.


-- Kai.


On Apr 14, 2017, at 6:59 AM, Pedro Lobo  wrote:

Server side filtering used to be WAY more powerful, but I suppose 
they realised that it was overly complex for the majority of users 
and therefore simplified it. So, it doesn't seem like you'd be able 
to tag incoming messages server side. You can however create rules to 
move mails to specific folders or forward to an alias used for your 
bills etc.




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Re: [MlMt] Fastmail and Runbox: trying to choose

[Pedro Lobo]

Hey All,

I switched to Fastmail a few years ago and the switch was painless. It 
was trivial to import my existing email using their tools. Here are my 
thoughts on what both of you have mentioned so far:


- With regard to the limitations on tags, I can't really say since I 
don't use all that many. For the few that I do use I haven't yet hit any 
snags.
- Server side filtering used to be WAY more powerful, but I suppose they 
realised that it was overly complex for the majority of users and 
therefore simplified it. So, it doesn't seem like you'd be able to tag 
incoming messages server side. You can however create rules to move 
mails to specific folders or forward to an alias used for your bills 
etc.
- Spam protection is top notch. I've disabled it for now since I was 
doing some tests with SpamSieve but when it was active, I don't recall 
ever receiving spam mail. I did have to whitelist one or two, but it 
learnt real quick.
- Since I have a grandfathered account, there are some of the newer 
features I can't test reliably, but from what you describe about your 
setup, it shouldn't be hard to create the users you need as your needs 
change;
- Push works incredibly well. When it was released, I did a few tests. 
iPhone by my side and MailMate open. Changed or deleted an email in 
Mailmate and the sync was almost immediate.
- CALdav and CARDdav are a plus, even if you just use them as a backup 
of iCloud calendar and contacts ;)


Do let me know if you would like me to perform any further tests, I'd be 
happy to help, and if you do decide to go with Fastmail and would like 
to, you can use my [referral 
link](https://www.fastmail.com/?STKI=12019021) to sign up. You'll get 
10% discount on the first year.





Cheers,
Pedro Lobo

On 13 Apr 2017, at 17:04, Eric A. Meyer wrote:


Hello all,

I'm set on moving my personal domain's email, which is managed by a 
third party on an ad-hoc basis, to either Fastmail or Runbox.  I was 
hoping the wisdom of this especially smart crowd could help me decide 
which is better suited to my situation, or for that matter what I need 
to think about that I'm not.


I have my primary email account, this one, and a few aliases that 
funnel to it.  My wife and daughter also have their own accounts (one 
each), and my son will need one soon.  I suspect my daughter will just 
have all her mail forwarded to GMail, at least for the time being.  My 
wife and I each use MailMate.


I do use IMAP tags on my mail.  Currently I have a total of 27.  I'm 
not planning on adding more any time soon.


I don't mind at all writing server-side rules and filters to 
pre-screen anything that gets through to the inbox.  I'd be very 
interested in writing server-side actions to IMAP-tag mail the instant 
it arrives, so that (for example) I could auto-tag credit card bill 
notifications, payment confirmations, and suchlike.


Both my account and my wife's account get joe-jobbed on a semi-regular 
basis-- a pitfall of having ancient, public addresses.  I'd love to 
have a service that detected and suppressed the bounce floods that 
result, without me having to write rules to do so.  (I can write those 
rules, in fact have written them in the past, but I'd rather not have 
to do it again.)


I don't plan to use a web-based mail interface since I already have 
MailMate, but having a good one is a plus for those times I might need 
one.


I don't intend to migrate calendars off of iCloud, at least at this 
point, since that's working well enough for the family at this stage.  
I don't use cloud-based notes in general, so that's not a needed 
service either.


For the future, I do have email on a completely separate domain, again 
administered ad-hoc by the aforementioned third party.  I might want 
to migrate it over as well.


I've read the documentation for both Fastmail and Runbox, checked out 
some past articles and podcasts, and used MailMate to trawl through 
past posts about both companies here on the list.  Both seem like 
they'd be solid choices, but is there anything about what I've 
described that seems like a roadblock to one or the other?  Or that 
heavily favors one over the other?



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Re: [MlMt] Fastmail and Runbox: trying to choose

[Richard Rettke]

On 13 Apr 2017, at 11:04, Eric A. Meyer e...@meyerweb.com  wrote:

I've read the documentation for both Fastmail and Runbox, checked out 
some past articles and podcasts, and used MailMate to trawl through 
past posts about both companies here on the list.  Both seem like 
they'd be solid choices, but is there anything about what I've 
described that seems like a roadblock to one or the other?  Or that 
heavily favors one over the other?


I too narrowed my choices to Fastmail and Runbox. I chose Runbox almost 
a year ago but have not had time to completely disassociate myself from 
Gmail yet.


I chose Runbox at the time because when I tested Fastmail I ran into a 
limitation on tags (they only allow 100). Apparently Thunderbird (which 
I used prior to moving to Mailmate) uses tags to store all sorts of 
info, at least thats the only explanation of why there are so many and 
they all look like the folder names I had defined in Thunderbird. So for 
that reason I chose Runbox. The importing of my email from gmail was 
easy and pain free. My issue is I never found time to fully complete 
what I was doing and currently am using both Runbox and Gmail. Adams 
recent post about Fastmail supporting Push and others not has given me 
pause, and in fact was going to test Runbox on that this weekend since I 
never migrated my iOS emails to Runbox.


Sorry for the rambling, crazy busy here. Bottom line. I like Runbox, 
BUT, I am going to reevaluate it vs. Fastmail and may decide to clean up 
the blasted tags and go with Fastmail. Time and testing will tell. One 
big plus for Runbox is it not US based (it's in Norway) which I see as a 
plus, for no real good reason (I'm not paranoid, but that doesn't mean 
someone isn't out out get me LOL)! So I will stay with Runbox if my iOS 
email works well with them, but will leave if not. Also, I have 
contacted their support several times for trivialities and they are 
quite responsive and good.


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*Laus Deo*
*Non sibi sed patriae*

https://about.me/rerettke

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