[MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Paul Hoffman]

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my mail, 
and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected "None" for 
"Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the beep. Clues?


--Paul Hoffman
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Bill Cole]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected "None" 
for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the beep. 
Clues?


The UI in "Counters" is a challenge...

There are 4 independent sets of settings there: one for each corner of 
the Dock icon a counter can appear in. Each has its own Sound option. 
You select which Counter you are dealing with by the unlabeled square of 
radio buttons on the left side, so even if a Counter isn't set to show 
on the dock icon, it is identified by where it would be if it was.

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Paul Hoffman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:00, Bill Cole wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected "None" 
for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the beep. 
Clues?


The UI in "Counters" is a challenge...

There are 4 independent sets of settings there: one for each corner of 
the Dock icon a counter can appear in. Each has its own Sound option. 
You select which Counter you are dealing with by the unlabeled square 
of radio buttons on the left side, so even if a Counter isn't set to 
show on the dock icon, it is identified by where it would be if it 
was.


Did that, still beeps. That is, when selecting the radio button in each 
of the four positions, "Sound" now shows "None". Or am I missing 
something more subtle?


--Paul Hoffman
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Muster Hans]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 23:29, Paul Hoffman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:00, Bill Cole wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected 
"None" for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the 
beep. Clues?


The UI in "Counters" is a challenge...

There are 4 independent sets of settings there: one for each corner 
of the Dock icon a counter can appear in. Each has its own Sound 
option. You select which Counter you are dealing with by the 
unlabeled square of radio buttons on the left side, so even if a 
Counter isn't set to show on the dock icon, it is identified by where 
it would be if it was.


Did that, still beeps. That is, when selecting the radio button in 
each of the four positions, "Sound" now shows "None". Or am I missing 
something more subtle?


Hmm, mine's set to Glass, but I've unchecked Notifications on that 
screen.


To avoid disturbing my neighbours (and of course my own peace and quiet) 
I have all OS X alerts disabled via System Preferences -> Sound -> Sound 
Effects. Alert Volume slider all the way to the left and the 2 
checkboxes beneath unchecked.


Is this suitable for you?
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Paul Hoffman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:47, Muster Hans wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 23:29, Paul Hoffman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:00, Bill Cole wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected 
"None" for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the 
beep. Clues?


The UI in "Counters" is a challenge...

There are 4 independent sets of settings there: one for each corner 
of the Dock icon a counter can appear in. Each has its own Sound 
option. You select which Counter you are dealing with by the 
unlabeled square of radio buttons on the left side, so even if a 
Counter isn't set to show on the dock icon, it is identified by 
where it would be if it was.


Did that, still beeps. That is, when selecting the radio button in 
each of the four positions, "Sound" now shows "None". Or am I missing 
something more subtle?


Hmm, mine's set to Glass, but I've unchecked Notifications on that 
screen.


I have unchecked Notifications for all four locations of the radio 
button as well.


To avoid disturbing my neighbours (and of course my own peace and 
quiet) I have all OS X alerts disabled via System Preferences -> Sound 
-> Sound Effects. Alert Volume slider all the way to the left and the 
2 checkboxes beneath unchecked.


Is this suitable for you?


No, because the notifications that I have for other apps are fine. They 
don't go off regularly every 5-10 minutes. I just want to silence the 
MailMate "I just checked your mail again" notifications only.


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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Muster Hans]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 23:59, Paul Hoffman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:47, Muster Hans wrote:

I have unchecked Notifications for all four locations of the radio 
button as well.


To avoid disturbing my neighbours (and of course my own peace and 
quiet) I have all OS X alerts disabled via System Preferences -> 
Sound -> Sound Effects. Alert Volume slider all the way to the left 
and the 2 checkboxes beneath unchecked.


Is this suitable for you?


No, because the notifications that I have for other apps are fine. 
They don't go off regularly every 5-10 minutes. I just want to silence 
the MailMate "I just checked your mail again" notifications only.


One for Benny: Is it possible to put your own custom sounds into 
MailMate?


I've got a 'silence.aif' file here which I created for someone to use as 
a ringtone for unwanted calls on his iPhone.


If it's not the right format I can probably convert it to whatever is 
needed. It's 1 second long.


www.sture.ch/downloads/silence.aif
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Muster Hans]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 0:13, Muster Hans wrote:


I've got a 'silence.aif' file here which I created for someone to use 
as a ringtone for unwanted calls on his iPhone.


If it's not the right format I can probably convert it to whatever is 
needed. It's 1 second long.


www.sture.ch/downloads/silence.aif


I forgot to say - to download that:

curl -O  www.sture.ch/downloads/silence.aif
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Billy Youdelman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:59, Paul Hoffman wrote:

No, because the notifications that I have for other apps are fine. 
They don't go off regularly every 5-10 minutes. I just want to silence 
the MailMate "I just checked your mail again" notifications only.


In the Mailbox drop down menu (in the menu bar at the top of the 
screen), what do you see for Synchronization Schedule?  I'm curious 
because you're saying you get an alert sound every 5-10 minutes, and 
those are choices for this parameter.  Mine says Connected, which I 
presume means using the IMAP Idle function to get new mail.


You have to look with input focus on the Viewer Window to see which 
option is checked.


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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Billy Youdelman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:13, Muster Hans asked:

One for Benny: Is it possible to put your own custom sounds into 
MailMate?


You can copy an AIFF sound file into /System/Library/Sounds and then 
select it in MailMate.


At least for now.. OS 10.11 will make this a bit difficult, due to 
protecting the System dir...


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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Paul Hoffman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:19, Billy Youdelman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:59, Paul Hoffman wrote:

No, because the notifications that I have for other apps are fine. 
They don't go off regularly every 5-10 minutes. I just want to 
silence the MailMate "I just checked your mail again" notifications 
only.


In the Mailbox drop down menu (in the menu bar at the top of the 
screen), what do you see for Synchronization Schedule?


I have multiple mailboxes, some are set for 5 mins, some for 10 mins, 
some for 1 hour.


I'm curious because you're saying you get an alert sound every 5-10 
minutes, and those are choices for this parameter.


Exactly right.

Mine says Connected, which I presume means using the IMAP Idle 
function to get new mail.


You have to look with input focus on the Viewer Window to see which 
option is checked.


"Connected" is greyed out for me for each of my mailboxes.

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Bill Cole]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 17:29, Paul Hoffman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:00, Bill Cole wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 14:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected 
"None" for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the 
beep. Clues?


The UI in "Counters" is a challenge...

There are 4 independent sets of settings there: one for each corner 
of the Dock icon a counter can appear in. Each has its own Sound 
option. You select which Counter you are dealing with by the 
unlabeled square of radio buttons on the left side, so even if a 
Counter isn't set to show on the dock icon, it is identified by where 
it would be if it was.


Did that, still beeps. That is, when selecting the radio button in 
each of the four positions, "Sound" now shows "None". Or am I missing 
something more subtle?


No, I'm just apparently wrong.

Never let that stop me though... How about the MailMate settings in the 
Notifications pane of System Preferences?

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Paul Hoffman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:54, Bill Cole wrote:

Never let that stop me though... How about the MailMate settings in 
the Notifications pane of System Preferences?


MailMate is not listed there, at least on my system.

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Randall Meadows]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 17:04, Paul Hoffman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:54, Bill Cole wrote:

Never let that stop me though... How about the MailMate settings in 
the Notifications pane of System Preferences?


MailMate is not listed there, at least on my system.


Ditto, OS X 10.10.4 (14E46)
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected "None" 
for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the beep. 
Clues?


Others already told you about the 4 counters. The other possibilities 
are that you have manually set up a rule to play a sound or that you use 
SpamSieve which has its own sound (see its Preferences). Maybe that 
helps?


--
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 0:29, Billy Youdelman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:13, Muster Hans asked:

One for Benny: Is it possible to put your own custom sounds into 
MailMate?


You can copy an AIFF sound file into /System/Library/Sounds and then 
select it in MailMate.


At least for now.. OS 10.11 will make this a bit difficult, due to 
protecting the System dir...


It's probably better to use `~/Library/Sounds/`.

--
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Allie Martin]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 18:13, Randall Meadows wrote:

> MailMate is not listed there, at least on my system.
>
>
> Ditto, OS X 10.10.4 (14E46)

It's listed there for me.

OS X 10.10.4

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Paul Hoffman]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 16:14, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 20:16, Paul Hoffman wrote:

Greetings. I really dislike the frog-beep when MailMate checks my 
mail, and it disturbs those around me. I have already selected "None" 
for "Sound" in Preferences -> Counters, but I still hear the beep. 
Clues?


Others already told you about the 4 counters. The other possibilities 
are that you have manually set up a rule to play a sound or that you 
use SpamSieve which has its own sound (see its Preferences). Maybe 
that helps?


Blarg! It was SpamSieve's default settings. Thanks!

--Paul Hoffman
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Bill Cole]

On 27 Jul 2015, at 19:04, Paul Hoffman wrote:


On 27 Jul 2015, at 15:54, Bill Cole wrote:

Never let that stop me though... How about the MailMate settings in 
the Notifications pane of System Preferences?


MailMate is not listed there, at least on my system.


I am pretty sure I'm not hallucinating, but 3 people who don't see what 
I see on my system (10.10.4) makes me worry. Does this pic 
 not show what I think it 
does?


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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Thomas Eckhold]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 15:05, Bill Cole wrote:

>> MailMate is not listed there, at least on my system.
>
> I am pretty sure I'm not hallucinating, but 3 people who don't see what I see 
> on my system (10.10.4) makes me worry. Does this pic 
>  not show what I think it does?

Don't worry. It is listed (and configurable) in my notification pane as well 
(10.10.4 and was before, too).

Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Annamarie]

If you turn ON notifications in MailMate/Preferences/Counters  THEN 
MailMate shows up in the System Preferences/Notifications.


I just learned this!

HTH

Annamarie

On 28 Jul 2015, at 9:56, Thomas Eckhold wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 15:05, Bill Cole wrote:


MailMate is not listed there, at least on my system.


I am pretty sure I'm not hallucinating, but 3 people who don't see 
what I see on my system (10.10.4) makes me worry. Does this pic 
 not show what I think it 
does?


Don't worry. It is listed (and configurable) in my notification pane 
as well (10.10.4 and was before, too).


Regards,

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Randall Meadows]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 8:03, Annamarie wrote:

If you turn ON notifications in MailMate/Preferences/Counters  THEN 
MailMate shows up in the System Preferences/Notifications.


No such luck for me.  Am I missing something here: 
?



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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Barton Lipman]

I turned it on, restarted MailMate, and sometime later, it showed up in 
Notifications.


Bart


On 28 Jul 2015, at 11:48, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 8:03, Annamarie wrote:

If you turn ON notifications in MailMate/Preferences/Counters  THEN 
MailMate shows up in the System Preferences/Notifications.


No such luck for me.  Am I missing something here: 
?



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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Randall Meadows]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 9:53, Barton Lipman wrote:

I turned it on, restarted MailMate, and sometime later, it showed up 
in Notifications.


Yeah, “sometime later”, like after publicly posting.  Grrr…

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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Bill Cole]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 11:59, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 9:53, Barton Lipman wrote:

I turned it on, restarted MailMate, and sometime later, it showed up 
in Notifications.


Yeah, “sometime later”, like after publicly posting.  Grrr…


Maybe more generally: after MailMate actually generates a notification.
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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 28 Jul 2015, at 18:49, Bill Cole wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 11:59, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 9:53, Barton Lipman wrote:

I turned it on, restarted MailMate, and sometime later, it showed up 
in Notifications.


Yeah, “sometime later”, like after publicly posting.  Grrr…


Maybe more generally: after MailMate actually generates a 
notification.


For what it's worth, MailMate currently doesn't interact directly with 
the OS X notification system. Instead MailMate relies on the third party 
Growl framework which uses the OS X notification system when Growl is 
not installed. But I consider to remove the dependence on Growl since I 
believe Growl hasn't been updated for quite a while. Anyone objecting to 
such a change can try writing me off list :-)


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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Randall Meadows]

On 29 Jul 2015, at 3:06, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 18:49, Bill Cole wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 11:59, Randall Meadows wrote:


On 28 Jul 2015, at 9:53, Barton Lipman wrote:

I turned it on, restarted MailMate, and sometime later, it showed 
up in Notifications.


Yeah, “sometime later”, like after publicly posting.  Grrr…


Maybe more generally: after MailMate actually generates a 
notification.


For what it's worth, MailMate currently doesn't interact directly with 
the OS X notification system. Instead MailMate relies on the third 
party Growl framework which uses the OS X notification system when 
Growl is not installed. But I consider to remove the dependence on 
Growl since I believe Growl hasn't been updated for quite a while. 
Anyone objecting to such a change can try writing me off list :-)


Object, no! I wholeheartedly support the idea, and would love to see 
functionality that Mail.app’s notifications provide, specifically the 
ability to remove/delete a message from the notification itself. :)



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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


For what it's worth, MailMate currently doesn't interact directly 
with the OS X notification system. Instead MailMate relies on the 
third party Growl framework which uses the OS X notification system 
when Growl is not installed. But I consider to remove the dependence 
on Growl since I believe Growl hasn't been updated for quite a while. 
Anyone objecting to such a change can try writing me off list :-)


Object, no! I wholeheartedly support the idea, and would love to see 
functionality that Mail.app’s notifications provide, specifically 
the ability to remove/delete a message from the notification itself. 
:)



Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes.  One of the most used features I 
have with MailMate right now is to see a notification (via Growl) come 
in for something I know is spam, or annoying, or not something I want - 
I then go to the menu bar, find the notification icon, click and go to 
the row for the notification for that mail item, and select delete.  
Often done before the Growl notification has ever left the screen.


But to see the notification appear and have it have a button to "delete" 
right there, oh man, yes please!


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Re: [MlMt] Silencing the beep when mail is checked

[Michael Dunston]

On 29 Jul 2015, at 10:34, Randall Meadows wrote:

For what it's worth, MailMate currently doesn't interact directly with 
the OS X notification system. Instead MailMate relies on the third 
party Growl framework which uses the OS X notification system when 
Growl is not installed. But I consider to remove the dependence on 
Growl since I believe Growl hasn't been updated for quite a while. 
Anyone objecting to such a change can try writing me off list :-)


Object, no! I wholeheartedly support the idea, and would love to see 
functionality that Mail.app’s notifications provide, specifically 
the ability to remove/delete a message from the notification itself. 
:)


I’ve only recently switched to MailMate (after 15+ years of BB 
Mailsmith, and skipping over the Mail.app experience entirely), but 
definitely agree!

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