Re: [MlMt] Very weird failure-to-get-mail continues...

2014-08-29 Thread Seebs

On 29 Aug 2014, at 13:45, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

No, I don't think that is related, but I have a new theory (unrelated 
to the app nap problem). I've seen a bug myself two or three times the 
past month: After sleep, one of my accounts does not take the INBOX 
into the IDLE state (the “Connected” state). This results in new 
messages not being detected. As soon as I select the INBOX or anything 
depending on it then it triggers it to go to the IDLE mode (after 
fetching new messages) and there are no more problems.
Does this match what you see? And if yes, how often does it happen for 
you? (Tricky to debug if it happens as rarely as it does for me.)


Hmm. I *think* not. My usual use case is that I move my laptop between 
two desks, so it sleeps about twice a day usually. So, I finish work, 
laptop goes to sleep, I go upstairs, laptop wakes up. Laptop processes 
mail pretty normally for a while, so far as I can tell; for instance, I 
nearly always get the midnight-or-so nightly stats from a server that 
lets me know its backups worked. But often in the morning, no new mail. 
(Laptop does not sleep overnight because it's Busy Doing Things.) So I 
don't *think* it's quite restricted to waking up from sleep?


But I definitely do have the trait where as soon as I touch the inbox in 
some way, it comes back. Interestingly, if I just send an outgoing 
message, nothing happens.


I'd guess a couple times a week maybe? I don't always notice, I suspect.

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Re: [MlMt] Very weird failure-to-get-mail continues...

2014-08-29 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 29 Aug 2014, at 20:50, Seebs wrote:

But I definitely do have the trait where as soon as I touch the inbox 
in some way, it comes back. Interestingly, if I just send an outgoing 
message, nothing happens.


Yes, sending would not fix the non-idle state. It requires 
selecting/re-selecting the inbox.


I'd guess a couple times a week maybe? I don't always notice, I 
suspect.


Ok, I'll think about how to debug this. Maybe I need to monitor the 
state of these mailboxes in order to be able to automatically detect 
when it happens. This would also work as a temporary workaround until 
I've found the real cause of the problem.


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[MlMt] Very weird failure-to-get-mail continues...

2014-08-27 Thread Seebs
Okay, so, I used to have a thing where app nap was keeping Mailmate from 
getting mail, probably. Symptom: No mail shows up until I click on the 
window, SUDDENLY MAIL.


Today, it did something weirder. I got no mail from about 3 AM to around 
6:30 PM. But! I sent outgoing mail during that time. So I know I was 
interacting with the app, and it was up enough to talk to things.


One thing that could conceivably be a clue: I got a very quick response 
to one of those emails, specifically, one dated a minute before the 
outgoing message. And I note, on study, that my mail server's clock is 
wrong (it's about 9 minutes slow). Could that explain this?


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