Re: [MlMt] choice of mailserver on osx

[Muster Hans]

On 10 Feb 2016, at 16:41, Oliver Giessler wrote:

Marc, why don´t you just use OS X Server from Apple? It has what you 
need and costs only small change.


On 11 Feb 2016, at 22:47, Marc ARC wrote:


Oliver,

I didn’t think of that, due to previous experiences that with every 
OS-change, Apple also changes the server applications.

This makes upgrading quite difficult.

But it could be a good idea


OS X Server does indeed break things on upgrades, to the point where I 
am loathe to put too much trust in it.


The latest "improvement" in DNS for example took away the ability to 
search for individual entries, the search now operates on the zone 
names.


I cannot help but think it's part of the general attempt to push us 
"into the cloud". With the amount of data I have for the bandwidth 
available that's a non-starter.

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Re: [MlMt] choice of mailserver on osx

[Benjamin Zimmermann]

On 10 Feb 2016, at 10:17, Marc ARC wrote:


Dear MM list-users,

We are looking for advice for a good, very functional,  well supported 
 ( and not to expensive, open source ? ) IMAP-mailserver that runs on 
OSX


Eventually one that also supports calendar functionality ( CalDAV, . . 
.)


Thanks in advance,


Marc
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Hi Marc,

As already mentioned, ”Dovecot”, and of course ”Courier Mail 
Server”.

Those are the ones i know of that work quite well on OSX.

Ben
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Re: [MlMt] choice of mailserver on osx

[Alexander Neng]

+1 for Dovecot

Cheers,

Alex

On 10 Feb 2016, at 12:49, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


Charlie Garrison 2016-02-10 20:40 wrote:

There is some info somewhere in the help/blogs/elsewhere about 
setting up Dovecot to use as a local IMAP server. Works great!


Yes, Dovecot is really good IMAP server and runs well on OS X.

Running dovecot as a local only IMAP server on OS X 



Fredrik
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Re: [MlMt] choice of mailserver on osx

[Charlie Garrison]

Good evening,

On 10 Feb 2016, at 20:17, Marc ARC wrote:

We are looking for advice for a good, very functional,  well supported 
 ( and not to expensive, open source ? ) IMAP-mailserver that runs on 
OSX


Assuming you have [Homebrew](http://brew.sh) installed:

`brew dovecot`

There is some info somewhere in the help/blogs/elsewhere about setting 
up Dovecot to use as a local IMAP server. Works great!


Charlie

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Re: [MlMt] choice of mailserver on osx

[Bill Cole]

On 10 Feb 2016, at 4:17, Marc ARC wrote:


Dear MM list-users,

We are looking for advice for a good, very functional,  well supported 
 ( and not to expensive, open source ? ) IMAP-mailserver that runs on 
OSX


Dovecot is absolutely the IMAP server of choice for just about any 
Unix-like OS where you don't have specialized needs for things it just 
doesn't do. You can install from distribution source yourself or use 
either MacPorts or Homebrew if you prefer or already use one of them for 
software management. OR: see below


Eventually one that also supports calendar functionality ( CalDAV, . . 
.)


Yeah, that's a different thing...

MacOS Server (these days a VERY affordable compound app that installs on 
standard MacOS X, not a pricey alternate version of the OS) includes 
slightly customized versions of Dovecot and Postfix with a reasonably 
good working config integrating them AND a CalDAV server that is 
essentially the reference implementation of the CalDAV spec(s). 
Unfortunately the CalDAV specs include some widely-expected extensions 
which seem to confuse implementors on both client and server sides to 
the point where interop really sucks. Mail/calendar integration is the 
worst of it, to the point where both Google and Apple don't even 
seriously try to follow the RFC defining how a CalDAV server should do 
invites and change notifications on their public services. I'm not 
actually sure how well the integration in MacOS X Server is, but it's 
there, it's supported for a low price, and if you prefer a GUI to manage 
a mail server, that's what you're getting. If you prefer managing a mail 
server in a terminal, DO NOT use Server.app: it will punish you for 
fiddling.


If "we" consists of a small number of people (i.e. a family or tiny 
business) you might also want to consider CommuniGatePro, an integrated 
"Universal Communication Server" meant to compare to MS Exchange. It is 
free for a small number of users and functional for more without a 
license except that it tags all outgoing messages with a note that it's 
a trial version when you go over the free limit (I don't recall if it is 
5 or 10 users currently...) Paid pricing for CGP might be deemed "not 
too expensive" in the right frame of reference. Its CalDAV integration 
has evolved over the years from quasi-fraud to pretty solid. CGP is a 
truly integrated server (one closed-source binary daemon for 
SMTP/POP/IMAP/LDAP/SIP/XMPP/CalDAV/CardDAV/WebDAV/etc.) unlike MacOS X 
Server (a couple dozen daemons dressed up in a single duct-taped 
trenchcoat...) or a standalone Dovecot (which is great at IMAP and POP 
but doesn't send or receive mail on its own). Since CGP has a web admin 
GUI you may prefer it over Dovecot's deeply versatile and possibly 
confusing maze of config files or the oversimplified and mandatory GUI 
layer that Server wraps around Dovecot's complexity.


However, mif you really ONLY want IMAP and CalDAV, you can get Dovecot 
in prepackaged or source form and the latest from calendarserver.org and 
wire them together yourself, hooking into the Mac's built-in trivial 
Postfix installation as/if needed. Getting to that state with Server.app 
or CGP would be a lot of pointing and clicking to turn stuff off.


(full disclosure: I make my living in part by managing multiple mail 
systems, which include Postfix+Dovecot, MacOS X Server, and CGP 
environments. They all suck, each in their own special unique ways...)

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