Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: I wrote in another thread: 2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the message I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple times or use the mouse. Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after deleting an open one is not good, IMO. To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for later. Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us *all* with a plethora of settings. :)___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
My suggestion also leaves the next message unread since I have preview off. Having nothing selected after delete is a hassle. John Muccigrosso > Il giorno 08 ott 2016, alle ore 12:10, Randall Meadows > ha scritto: > > On 8 Oct 2016, at 6:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: > > I wrote in another thread: > > 2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left selected. I’d > rather the next message in the thread get selected. I’m a keyboard guy, and > while this isn’t a big deal if the message I want is the last one in the > inbox (just hit the up arrow), it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the > arrow multiple times or use the mouse. > > Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, which I > would not prefer, but having no message be selected after deleting an open > one is not good, IMO. > To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to > delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands leaving > the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I don't have time > right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it marked unread (which > selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for later. > > Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us all with a plethora of > settings. :) > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 8 Oct 2016, at 11:10, Randall Meadows randy.mead...@not-pc.com wrote: To each his own. I prefer the current behavior, because it allows me to delete the message I'm reading, quickly and easily without my hands leaving the keyboard, and still leave the "next message" unread, as I don't have time right at the moment to deal with it, and leaving it marked unread (which selecting it would undo) leaves me a reminder for later. Hopefully Benny will be able to accommodate us all with a plethora of settings. :) I too prefer the current behavior. I do not read messages in sequence and prefer not to have any selected. Also, if it selected the next message I would be at risk for accidental deletion. I sometimes read and delete, and sometimes due to infirmity, double tap the delete key. Having a message selected automatically could cause it to be unknowingly or unexpectedly deleted. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 8 Oct 2016, at 21:38, Richard Rettke wrote: I too prefer the current behavior. I do not read messages in sequence and prefer not to have any selected. Also, if it selected the next message I would be at risk for accidental deletion. I sometimes read and delete, and sometimes due to infirmity, double tap the delete key. Having a message selected automatically could cause it to be unknowingly or unexpectedly deleted. I’m all for having a preference for this. (Though “undo” handles the accidental deletions.) Is there any mail app that does it the same way MailMate does? John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 8 Oct 2016, at 21:40, John D. Muccigrosso muccigro...@icloud.com wrote: I’m all for having a preference for this. (Though “undo” handles the accidental deletions.) I agree, a preference would be a good thing. BTW, undo only handles the deletion if you noticed it. The all knowing, all seeing are good with that. A mere mortal like myself, not so much. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 8 Oct 2016, at 23:38, Richard Rettke wrote: BTW, undo only handles the deletion if you noticed it. The all knowing, all seeing are good with that. A mere mortal like myself, not so much. :-) Yes, if you don’t notice when you delete something it’s a problem. Have you considered changing the delete command to something less easy to do by mistake? (I also just noticed “Cancel deletion”, but I’m not sure what that does.) John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 09.10.2016 at 18:11 Uhr -0400 John D. Muccigrosso apparently wrote: Yes, if you don't notice when you delete something it's a problem. Have you considered changing the delete command to something less easy to do by mistake? (I also just noticed "Cancel deletion", but I'm not sure what that does.) John Delete action could ask for confirmation. This should be naturally configurable by the user. RObert ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 9 Oct 2016, at 17:11, John D. Muccigrosso muccigro...@icloud.com wrote: Yes, if you don’t notice when you delete something it’s a problem. Have you considered changing the delete command to something less easy to do by mistake? (I also just noticed “Cancel deletion”, but I’m not sure what that does.) The way Mailmate currently works there is no problem. The discussion was about having Mailmate automatically select the next item, which would then create a potential problem for me with delete behavior. My preference is either leave it as is or make selection or non-selection of next item customizable by the user. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 8 Oct 2016, at 14:55, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: I wrote in another thread: 2. If I delete that message while it’s open, no message is left selected. I’d rather the next message in the thread get selected. I’m a keyboard guy, and while this isn’t a big deal if the message I want is the last one in the inbox (just hit the up arrow), it’s a pain if it’s not and I have to hit the arrow multiple times or use the mouse. Someone else suggested that the next message be selected and opened, which I would not prefer, but having no message be selected after deleting an open one is not good, IMO. This thread went in various directions. The current behavior is not really intentional, but yet another proof that I'm not using the single message window much myself. This is also kind of related to the behavior of MailMate in the single message window when archiving/moving messages. This is actually configurable: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessageWindowActionAfterMove -string "closeWindow" The single message window does allow one to navigate to the previous/next message using ⌘↓ / ⌘↑. This is similar to what some of you want to happen when moving a message in the single message window. (This always happens when deleting messages, but maybe that should also depend on the setting above unless the message is deleted permanently.) Whether or not this setting is enabled I do think that MailMate should select the “next” message just as if the action had been done in the mailbox window. Disabling such behavior is already a separate setting: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy -string "none" This also takes effect in the mailbox window which is probably what users of this setting would expect. In other words, I'd like the default behavior to be that the single message window is closed on all types of move actions and that MailMate always moves to the “next” message in the message list. It is then optional to keep the window open (when possible, that is, more messages in the mailbox exists). Moving to the “next” message can then be disabled for users preferring to always explicitly select messages. (I'm not really interested in discussing default behavior, but it's fine to point out if the above does not allow you to configure your personally desired behavior.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 24 Oct 2016, at 8:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Whether or not this setting is enabled I do think that MailMate should select the “next” message just as if the action had been done in the mailbox window. Disabling such behavior is already a separate setting: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy -string "none" This doesn’t seem to exist now in MM2. (PS Note the disappearing blank line before the shell command in the quoted text there.) In other words, I'd like the default behavior to be that the single message window is closed on all types of move actions and that MailMate always moves to the “next” message in the message list. It is then optional to keep the window open (when possible, that is, more messages in the mailbox exists). Moving to the “next” message can then be disabled for users preferring to always explicitly select messages. I’d like MM to both close the window and move to the next message when I delete/move, which sounds like your default too. I’d keep the message window closed myself, though I could see why some might want it to open on the newly selected message. John ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Behavior upon deleting an open message
On 24 Oct 2016, at 21:34, John D. Muccigrosso wrote: On 24 Oct 2016, at 8:39, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Whether or not this setting is enabled I do think that MailMate should select the “next” message just as if the action had been done in the mailbox window. Disabling such behavior is already a separate setting: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy -string "none" This doesn’t seem to exist now in MM2. You mean it does not seem to work? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate