Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 9 Nov 2013, at 3:10, Rob McBroom wrote: First, is there any way to automatically mark messages as read when deleting them (and ideally when moving to Junk)? An unread count for things in the trash is distracting and annoying to me. (I know the count can be disabled in MailMate, but I use other clients.) The time required to hit ⇧⌘U over and over really adds up (especially when it includes switching from the mouse to the keyboard). First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable *experimental* 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk). I'll consider adding such rules (maybe in a disabled state) to make it easier for users to enable this behavior. Semi-related to that, I typically view messages in a separate window. When I delete the message, the window closes, but if I move it to Junk, it stays open. I have the “Close window after move” preference enabled. That option is related to ⌥⌘T. Can I get the window to close when moving to junk somehow? No, not any way I can think of. You can define a [custom key binding](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) which moves to junk and closes the window, but that won't work for the default toolbar button. The custom key binding could be something like: "j" = ( "moveToJunk:", "performClose:"); I guess this problem also applies to the “Archive” button. And I also think it is a problem that MailMate does not select the next message in the mailbox view. Finally, does anyone have any tips for dealing with threads? It seems cumbersome to read them (without the keyboard), but maybe I’m missing something. One change that would really help is if collapsed threads behaved more consistently. If you delete, move, or mark as read with a collapsed thread selected, it affects all the messages. But double clicking a collapsed thread or selecting it with the preview pane enabled doesn’t *show* all the messages. This would essentially be a so-called conversation view which currently does not exist in MailMate (MailMate can display multiple messages in a message view, but that is rather primitive). It's non-trivial to implement this, but it is one of a few items high on my list (as usual, no promises or time frame). It only shows the first message. I find myself clicking a lot of triangles. (I know about ⌥-click and ⌃⌘A, but that means reaching for the keyboard.) When reading/deleting/archiving messages I strongly recommend using the keyboard only, but I do get your point. (Note that ⌥ also works with right-arrow to expand a thread.) Thanks for trying out MailMate. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 9 Nov 2013, at 6:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable *experimental* 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk). Works for me. Thanks. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 9 Nov 2013, at 9:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 9 Nov 2013, at 3:10, Rob McBroom wrote: First, is there any way to automatically mark messages as read when deleting them (and ideally when moving to Junk)? An unread count for things in the trash is distracting and annoying to me. (I know the count can be disabled in MailMate, but I use other clients.) The time required to hit ⇧⌘U over and over really adds up (especially when it includes switching from the mouse to the keyboard). First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable *experimental* 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk). I'm on r3836 and have enabled experimental features. Double clicking "Deleted Messages" takes me to rename the box.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:22, Jeffrey Horn wrote: On 9 Nov 2013, at 9:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable *experimental* 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk). I'm on r3836 and have enabled experimental features. Double clicking "Deleted Messages" takes me to rename the box. Sorry, double-click *the icon* of the mailbox or use “Edit Mailbox” in the context sensitive menu or the Mailbox menu. -- Benny http://freron.com/crowdfund2014 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 11 Nov 2013, at 6:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Sorry, double-click *the icon* of the mailbox or use “Edit Mailbox” in the context sensitive menu or the Mailbox menu. Thanks!___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Deleting, moving, marking as read, and threads (new user questions)
On 9 Nov 2013, at 9:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 9 Nov 2013, at 3:10, Rob McBroom wrote: First, is there any way to automatically mark messages as read when deleting them (and ideally when moving to Junk)? First, hold down ⌥ when clicking “Check Now” in the Software Update preferences pane to get r3832 of MailMate. Then go to the General preferences pane and enable *experimental* 2.0 features. Finally, double click the “Deleted Messages” mailbox and add a rule with no conditions, but simply an action to enable “Seen”. I think that should work (and you can do the same for Junk). I’ve only been able to test it once, but it appears to be working. And by the way, I’m really impressed that I can define the rule on the non-existent “Deleted Messages” thing under Mailboxes, saving me from having to do it for each actual folder in every account. Thanks! Semi-related to that, I typically view messages in a separate window. When I delete the message, the window closes, but if I move it to Junk, it stays open. I have the “Close window after move” preference enabled. That option is related to ⌥⌘T. OK. That reminds me: Is there some technical reason you can’t use ⌥⌘T on a message when it’s open in a dedicated window? You can define a [custom key binding](http://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) which moves to junk and closes the window, but that won't work for the default toolbar button. I’ll try that. Thanks. And I also think it is a problem that MailMate does not select the next message in the mailbox view. No! I was trying to be brief, but my original message almost included a huge thanks for **not** re-using the existing window to open another message when I delete. Many clients do that and… I won’t say it’s the worst software feature I’ve ever seen, but I can’t think of a more annoying one right now. At the very least, make it optional. :-) If you delete, move, or mark as read with a collapsed thread selected, it affects all the messages. But double clicking a collapsed thread or selecting it with the preview pane enabled doesn’t *show* all the messages. This would essentially be a so-called conversation view which currently does not exist in MailMate (MailMate can display multiple messages in a message view, but that is rather primitive). It's non-trivial to implement this, but it is one of a few items high on my list (as usual, no promises or time frame). I’ve seen the “primitive” view. That’s what I meant by “show all the messages”. It might not be as fancy as what Mail does, but it’s better than only seeing one of the messages. I can’t imagine the difficulty of properly implementing something like that. Especially marking messages as “seen” as the user scrolls, hiding useless garbage from top-posters, etc. When reading/deleting/archiving messages I strongly recommend using the keyboard only, but I do get your point. (Note that ⌥ also works with right-arrow to expand a thread.) I am normally a keyboard person. (Just [look what][1] I spend my time on.) But for whatever reason, I always go for the mouse in a mail client. I think it’s because it’s a much easier way to switch folders and select the correct message from a long list (which I seem to do constantly). ⌥T and ⌥⌘↓ probably cover 90% of this, if I can just train myself not to reach for the mouse. Thanks for trying out MailMate. I can’t believe I didn’t know about it. I heard about it through Alan’s message about TextMate under 10.9. I just contributed to the crowd funding effort (even though I’m only 90% convinced I’ll stick with it). There’s some amazing stuff in here, but I won’t make this message any longer by going into great detail. [1]: https://github.com/quicksilver/Quicksilver/commits?author=skurfer -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate