Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
On 27 Feb 2018, at 5:48, Eric Sharakan wrote: On 26 Feb 2018, at 4:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Well, “Organize by Thread” only works on the messages in the current mailbox. If there are “missing links”, like sent messages, then it won't show the same thing as the “Thread” button does (which switches to the “All Messages” mailbox). It'll show multiple threads depending on the number of broken links. I'm not seeing the Thread button switch to the "All Messages" mailbox unless I also have the option key pressed. Actually, it apparently follows the Default Mailbox setting of the search bar. That's correct. I just assume most people do not change that setting :) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
On 26 Feb 2018, at 4:32, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 25 Feb 2018, at 22:18, Topher Buck wrote: I apologize if I’m being obtuse, but I still don’t think anyone has addressed my essential point: Fair enough. “Organize by Thread” does not group all four messages together in the same way that clicking the “Thread” toolbar button does. So please allow me to restate the question: Is it “correct” (i.e., would you expect or does MailMate’s observed behavior correspond to specifications) that **View > Organize by Thread** does not produce the same result that clicking the **Thread** (a.k.a. the “Find and display messages from the same conversation”) toolbar button does? Well, “Organize by Thread” only works on the messages in the current mailbox. If there are “missing links”, like sent messages, then it won't show the same thing as the “Thread” button does (which switches to the “All Messages” mailbox). It'll show multiple threads depending on the number of broken links. I'm not seeing the Thread button switch to the "All Messages" mailbox unless I also have the option key pressed. Actually, it apparently follows the Default Mailbox setting of the search bar. -Eric Maybe that explains it? If yes, why would users expect different behavior from these two, very similar-sounding actions? They are, at least, based on the same thing (`Message-ID`/`In-Reply-To` relationships). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
On 25 Feb 2018, at 22:18, Topher Buck wrote: I apologize if I’m being obtuse, but I still don’t think anyone has addressed my essential point: Fair enough. “Organize by Thread” does not group all four messages together in the same way that clicking the “Thread” toolbar button does. So please allow me to restate the question: Is it “correct” (i.e., would you expect or does MailMate’s observed behavior correspond to specifications) that **View > Organize by Thread** does not produce the same result that clicking the **Thread** (a.k.a. the “Find and display messages from the same conversation”) toolbar button does? Well, “Organize by Thread” only works on the messages in the current mailbox. If there are “missing links”, like sent messages, then it won't show the same thing as the “Thread” button does (which switches to the “All Messages” mailbox). It'll show multiple threads depending on the number of broken links. Maybe that explains it? If yes, why would users expect different behavior from these two, very similar-sounding actions? They are, at least, based on the same thing (`Message-ID`/`In-Reply-To` relationships). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
Thank you, Benny. I apologize if I’m being obtuse, but I still don’t think anyone has addressed my essential point: “Organize by Thread” does not group all four messages together in the same way that clicking the “Thread” toolbar button does. So please allow me to restate the question: Is it “correct” (i.e., would you expect or does MailMate’s observed behavior correspond to specifications) that **View > Organize by Thread** does not produce the same result that clicking the **Thread** (a.k.a. the “Find and display messages from the same conversation”) toolbar button does? If yes, why would users expect different behavior from these two, very similar-sounding actions? Thank you, /topher ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
On a related note, I would like to register another vote in favor of Scott’s [Feature request - highlighting related messages in a thread](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg02687.html). `View > Layout > Threaded` gets you very close to something like this feature IMO. click a message and in the message view it will show all related/same subject mails. /max Your vote is noted :) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
On 10 Feb 2018, at 20:02, Topher Buck wrote: | From | To | Subject | Date | Msg ID | |--||-||| | X| Y | foo bar | 2018-02-06 | 5597 | | Y| X | Re: foo bar | 2018-02-07 | 6414 | | X| Y | Re: foo bar | 2018-02-08 | 6137 | | X| Y | Re: foo bar | 2018-02-09 | 6321 | [...] I don’t understand why View > “Organize by Thread” does not group all four messages together in the same way that clicking the “Thread” toolbar button does. Can anyone explain that behavior? As you can see, I have included the message IDs here, and I note that they do not increase monotonically in chronological order (as I would have predicted). That suggests that message ID could play some role and that MM assigns message IDs in some fashion that isn’t obvious to me. The “Msg ID” is just an internal value which MailMate uses as an index. Every new message seen by MailMate gets a “Msg ID” in increasing order starting from 1. Threading is based on the `Message-ID` header and the `In-Reply-To`. These are the headers you should be looking for if trying to understand how MailMate has threaded the emails (and to determine if it's incorrect). It also seems like Benny’s statement, “[MailMate uses very strict threading. It only shows two messages as related if they are parent-child.](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg01927.html)” may apply here, though neither my message ID hypothesis nor “very strict threading” explain the discrepancy in the two options for viewing message threads. If it's not a bug then “strict threading” should be the explanation. On a related note, I would like to register another vote in favor of Scott’s [Feature request - highlighting related messages in a thread](https://www.mail-archive.com/mailmate@lists.freron.com/msg02687.html). Your vote is noted :) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Inconsistent message thread display
On 10 Feb 2018, at 20:02, Topher Buck wrote: > P.S. Apologies if my markdown tables don’t translate well. Your markdown tables looked perect here. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
