Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-27 Thread Jeff Holland

Jason Davies (27.11.2013) :


so that each message becomes an entire archive of the discussion


You raise all good points, I think, but this part probably bothers me 
more than top-posting does.


And yes, it's mostly a lost cause because people do whatever they do.


[a phrase which sounds really, really bad in UK English]


Duly noted.
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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-27 Thread Jason Davies

On 27 Nov 2013, at 13:31, Rob McBroom wrote:

“Interleaved” or “in-line” is a more accurate description of 
what we’re really talking about. Better? :-)


yes, except that anyone who knows what that means doesn't need it 
explained to them;)

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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Jeff Holland

Jacques (26.11.2013) :

Interesting that in the Preferences of MM, this change doesn't portray 
itself in a new Reply.


I think the setting you are looking for is Signatures  Default 
signature/caret placement, which I believe defaults to Bottom. This 
will control the caret placement even if you aren't using a signature at 
all. Change it to Top if you prefer top-posted replies.


PS - I agree, it's better formatted below. But the standard out there 
in email clients everywhere is above. So as others reply and the 
conversation continues - it gets very messy when the folks in a 
conversation are using different standards.


Without dwelling too much on the fact that the standard is 
ill-conceived, I agree that a mixture of top-posted and bottom-posted 
replies quickly becomes confusing. That's why I generally find it best 
to only quote text from the most recent message when replying (as I have 
done here), rather than preserving all replies since the thread began. I 
already have those earlier messages if I need to refer back to them for 
some reason, right?

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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Rob McBroom

On 26 Nov 2013, at 15:03, Jeff Holland wrote:

I agree that a mixture of top-posted and bottom-posted replies quickly 
becomes confusing.


Is a thread where every reply is consistently top-posted any less 
difficult to follow? :-)


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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Jeff Holland

Rob McBroom (26.11.2013) :

Is a thread where every reply is consistently top-posted any less 
difficult to follow? :-)


It hurts my brain about as much, now that you mention it.
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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Fabian Bolte


On 26 Nov 2013, at 20:57, Bill Cole wrote:

 Is there a way to change this? (I don't see it mentioned in preferences, 
 maybe I'm missing it?)

 I know of no way for MM to change the default insertion point and I'm glad 
 for that. It is a matter of one click to wherever you want the insertion 
 point to be, so if you really want to top-post MM won't prevent it.

Weird. My MailMate places the cursor above the message and did so from day one. 
I was already wondering why such a nerdy App does this.

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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Fabian Bolte
On 26 Nov 2013, at 20:13, Rob McBroom wrote:

 Is there a way to change this?


 It’s under the Signatures section.

YAY! Should have read all mails before responding.
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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 26 Nov 2013, at 18:50, Jacques wrote:

By default MailMate positions replies below the body of text. Almost 
all other email clients I've used positions above.


So in a thread of conversation, the replies keep going bottom (me) and 
above (others).


Is there a particular reasoning in this?


You have already received plenty of replies about this.

Is there a way to change this? (I don't see it mentioned in 
preferences, maybe I'm missing it?)


As others have mentioned, the default can be set in the Signatures 
preferences pane, but then I'll recommend you also click the button to 
clear the signature cache (same window). The reason is that MailMate 
remembers your choice of signature and placement for individual 
recipients. If you haven't explicitly selected top signature placement 
in the composer window then MailMate has probably “learned” that you 
prefer bottom placement. This can be counter-intuitive when changing the 
preference. (I'm not claiming that this could not be improved. It's just 
how it works now.)


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Re: [MlMt] Replies above or below

2013-11-26 Thread Bill Cole

On 26 Nov 2013, at 15:52, Fabian Bolte wrote:


On 26 Nov 2013, at 20:57, Bill Cole wrote:

Is there a way to change this? (I don't see it mentioned in 
preferences, maybe I'm missing it?)


I know of no way for MM to change the default insertion point and I'm 
glad for that. It is a matter of one click to wherever you want the 
insertion point to be, so if you really want to top-post MM won't 
prevent it.


Weird. My MailMate places the cursor above the message and did so from 
day one. I was already wondering why such a nerdy App does this.


Yes, as others have pointed out it is in the Signatures pane of the 
Preferences, which is not a place I would have looked.

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