Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
Is there any chance of functionality being improved for working with messages open in a separate window, as described in the message below, from February? Benny, you indicated on Feb 24 that you would be working on it at some point… Oddly, although the Move to Mailbox… command is greyed out, I can in fact move a message that I have open in a separate window to another mailbox by using the keys I've bound to moveToMailbox: and then a specific mailbox. (Is that new since February? I'm not sure whether I tested that then.) However, once I've done that, the message I've just moved is still open in its window and I can't advance to the next one in the mailbox it was originally in; I have to manually close it, manually select the next one, and manually open that one. I understand that next message and previous message are hard to define when a message has been moved to a new folder but is still open in a separate window: do they mean the message that used to be next or the message that is next in the new mailbox? Since I'm usually working through my inbox when I'm doing this, I want them to refer to the original mailbox (the inbox); given the logical incoherence this could cause, I'd be very happy with the next message in the original mailbox auto-opening in the place of the message I've just moved. Also, with a message open in a separate window, the Next Unread Message and Previous Unread Message commands are also greyed out, and neither the keys I've bound to nextUnreadMessage: and previousUnreadMessage:, nor the standard built-ins of option-command-downarrow and option-command-uparrow work. (Even though Next Message and Previous Message do work, as do both the standard option-downarrow and option-uparrow and the keys I've bound to those commands.) Instead, option-command-downarrow and option-command-uparrow scroll the message to its end or beginning, respectively, and the keys I've bound to the commands do nothing. Still hopeful, Shoshanna Green On 21 Feb 2015, at 10:08, Shoshanna Green wrote: When I have a message open in its own window (Widescreen layout with the message list pulled all the way to the right), the Move to Mailbox… command is unavailable (greyed out). This is both odd, since Move to Archive, Move to Junk, and Delete are all still available, and awkward. But I need to have most messages saved in specific folders, not just generically archived, so that I can find them when I'm not using MailMate. Can Move to Mailbox… be made available? (And, huh, Go to Mailbox is also unavailable, though that's less critical in this context.) In my preferred workflow, I'd open a message in a separate window, read it, move it to the appropriate mailbox (or archive or delete it), and the next message in the folder would open (in its separate window) as the moved (or archived or deleted) one disappeared. Next best would be if the moved one remained visible in its existing window, so that I can just hit whatever key I've bound to next message and have it appear. The latter is what happens if I archive a message that's displayed in a separate window. However, deleting it makes the message window disappear, and locating the next message in the message list so I can open and read it takes an awkward moment, so this is the worst option of the three UI behaviors. Moving, archiving, and deleting all seem like variations of the same action to me — move this message that I'm looking at somewhere else — so it's weird to me that the UI reacts differently for each: moving a message is disallowed, archiving leaves it visible in its existing window, deleting closes the window. Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
On 24 Feb 2015, at 9:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I have already written down that more functionality should work in the single message window and I've now added a reference to your email to make sure I review it when I get around to make some improvements. Add that the displayed window title doesn't update when you've got a message open in a separate window and then start hitting keys for next message or previous message. The window title remains the one it started out as, even as the displayed message changes. Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
On 24 Feb 2015, at 9:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: I have already written down that more functionality should work in the single message window and I've now added a reference to your email to make sure I review it when I get around to make some improvements. I'd be happy to assist in optimizing MailMate to be used without message preview. I rather liked working in that environment but over the years, grew accustomed to message preview because it would be awkward not to. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
On 21 Feb 2015, at 16:08, Shoshanna Green wrote: [various limitations of single message view] I think (haven't fully investigated) that these all behave as I'd want if I have the message open in a pane of the main window, but honestly I never want to do that, and don't understand the format's popularity. I often want to refer to several messages at once! Plus I use Witch to access windows from the keyboard, so I always want everything in individual windows, not panes or tabs. As indicated elsewhere I don't use the single message window much myself. In other words, most of the limitations are not “by design”. It's mainly because I didn't realize how this (apparently) works in other email clients. I think MailMate mostly resembles how it works in Apple Mail. I have already written down that more functionality should work in the single message window and I've now added a reference to your email to make sure I review it when I get around to make some improvements. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] message in own window: moving and deleting
On 21 Feb 2015, at 10:08, Shoshanna Green wrote: When I have a message open in its own window (Widescreen layout with the message list pulled all the way to the right), the Move to Mailbox… command is unavailable (greyed out). This is both odd, since Move to Archive, Move to Junk, and Delete are all still available, and awkward. But I need to have most messages saved in specific folders, not just generically archived, so that I can find them when I'm not using MailMate. Can Move to Mailbox… be made available? (And, huh, Go to Mailbox is also unavailable, though that's less critical in this context.) I see what you mean and agree. The ⌥⌘-T shortcut for moving the message doesn't work either. In my preferred workflow, I'd open a message in a separate window, read it, move it to the appropriate mailbox (or archive or delete it), and the next message in the folder would open (in its separate window) as the moved (or archived or deleted) one disappeared. Next best would be if the moved one remained visible in its existing window, so that I can just hit whatever key I've bound to next message and have it appear. The latter is what happens if I archive a message that's displayed in a separate window. Not only that, but after archiving, I can't navigate to another message using the ⌘-(↑/↓) keys. There are no toolbar buttons either. A lot here seem to love a key-shortcut driven workflow/navigation. I personally do a combination and while reading alone, I tend to use my magic mouse to select messages and scroll. I think (haven't fully investigated) that these all behave as I'd want if I have the message open in a pane of the main window, but honestly I never want to do that, and don't understand the format's popularity. I often want to refer to several messages at once! Plus I use Witch to access windows from the keyboard, so I always want everything in individual windows, not panes or tabs. The popularity I guess is based on one being able to see the message list while viewing message bodies. Also, I personally have grown unaccustomed to using many windows. Horses for courses really, and after doodling, I don't think your type of workflow has been optimised in MailMate. For me, needing to have more than one message open in a window is too infrequent to justify an always-separate message-view-window approach to my workflow. If I need to open a message in a separate window, I just do so on the few occasions when needed. However, if I needed to do this frequently, then yes, I'd certainly adopt your approach as I had done back in the days of PMMail on OS/2 Warp - there's an example of optimisation for separate window message view/navigation . and would you believe that it's [still being developed for OS/2](http://pmmail.os2voice.org/index.php?title=PMMail_for_OS/2)??? ;) — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
