Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 9 Jan 2014, at 13:12, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Is there a way to show List-Id* headers for mails that have it ? Not easily. It is possible to customize the headers view, but it's not straightforward and I still expect to eventually replace the headers view completely. I'm especially interested in seeing the mailto: link for unsubscribing and for https: urls for archives. Example: List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev, mailto:jbosstools-dev-requ...@lists.jboss.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jbosstools-dev Mailmate could even have buttons show up for these directly, but thought it would be nice being able to configure the list of headers shown for mails I'm viewing and I could do it myself ;) Some system for customizing the displayed message (adding buttons) would be nice, but that's not currently possible. What we can do though is to create a “Mailing List” bundle with “Unsubscribe” and “Go to Archive” commands. Would that be sufficient for now? -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 9 Jan 2014, at 21:46, Mike Brasch wrote: On 9 Jan 2014, at 19:51, Kee Hinckley wrote: MailMate does do a nice job with from addresses though. Every time I reply to this list it switches to the address that I previously used for Ah, I forgot: Messenger Pro also automatically filled out the to-field (based on the current selected folder). I think in the case of mailing lists, mailmate should not guess the from-address. The most mailing lists accepting the address used for subscribing. And this is the only address which is eligible. There is IMHO nothing to guess. Well, the guess would be based on existing messages written to the mailing list and should therefore be correct. But this might need to be improved if only received mailing list messages exists (replies would work, but I'm not if the first message written to the list is a new thread). This is a feature I miss to this day. And, if possible, this should also working with the mailing list smart list (with subfolders), which I'm using most of the time. That should work too. (This mailbox is not a special case with respect to how it works now.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 9 Jan 2014, at 13:12, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: Is there a way to show List-Id* headers for mails that have it ? Not easily. It is possible to customize the headers view, but it's not straightforward and I still expect to eventually replace the headers view completely. okey - i'll wait ;) I'm especially interested in seeing the mailto: link for unsubscribing and for https: urls for archives. Example: List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.jboss.org/mailman/listinfo/jbosstools-dev, mailto:jbosstools-dev-requ...@lists.jboss.org?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://lists.jboss.org/pipermail/jbosstools-dev Mailmate could even have buttons show up for these directly, but thought it would be nice being able to configure the list of headers shown for mails I'm viewing and I could do it myself ;) Some system for customizing the displayed message (adding buttons) would be nice, but that's not currently possible. What we can do though is to create a “Mailing List” bundle with “Unsubscribe” and “Go to Archive” commands. Would that be sufficient for now? That would be nice for sure! /max ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: How did it know which list you were writing to? I think Messenger Pro derived it from the current folder and the (manually maintained) list of all mailing lists. Maybe each list entry had a path. I don't remember that completely. But it worked. Every time I opened a new thread, MP automagically filled out the list specific from and the to field. It behaved exactly like in a usenet client. One way to realise it could be a simple user maintainable list of all used mailing lists (the MP-way). This would be absolutely OK for me. The other way could be automatic guessing derived from the header information of the first n mails in current folder (I would expect that all users of mailing lists let sort the messages into appropriate folders.) If I see the header, it might be difficult to find the correct from-address. Often I used aliases which appears in a slightly different version in each mail. One example is al...@provider.de appears in header like X-Remote-Delivered-To: al...@123456provider.de. The correct address al...@provider.de appears only in the 2nd Received:-block. I think the first one is the more stable solution. Although it means more work for the user. But it is easier for people like me who used different addresses for subscribing to mailing lists over the years. Currently, if I cannot remember, I have to look into the headers to get the correct from-address which is really annoying. Maybe such a list entry could be generated via context menu on a list mail via header fields like List-post:. If the currently selected message or mailbox has the information needed then it can be done automatically. Actually, this code already exists, but it was disabled because it was annoying for some users (I forgot the details). MailMate used the `List-Post` header to create the new message. I've inserted a boolean to enable this code, but I haven't tested it. You can tell me about any issues when the next test version is out :-) defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmListPostLookupEnabled -bool YES This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in mailing lists where I had written days ago. Maybe an important detail: I'm using only one mail account. All other addresses are either aliases of the main address or forwarding addresses of other providers (via Personalities feature of Fastmail). All of these addresses are inserted into the email addresses field of the account settings. -- Gruß Mike___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 10 Jan 2014, at 20:23, Mike Brasch wrote: The other way could be automatic guessing derived from the header information of the first n mails in current folder (I would expect that all users of mailing lists let sort the messages into appropriate folders.) If I see the header, it might be difficult to find the correct from-address. Often I used aliases which appears in a slightly different version in each mail. One example is al...@provider.de appears in header like X-Remote-Delivered-To: al...@123456provider.de. The correct address al...@provider.de appears only in the 2nd Received:-block. As long as the Address Pattern (or the list of email addresses) in the IMAP account settings are correct then MailMate should be able to find the correct from address in most cases. Otherwise, I'm always interested in knowing when this doesn't work. I've inserted a boolean to enable this code, but I haven't tested it. You can tell me about any issues when the next test version is out :-) defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmListPostLookupEnabled -bool YES This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in mailing lists where I had written days ago. I wasn't quite clear. A test version with this variable is not yet released (I added it seconds before sending the reply). Maybe an important detail: I'm using only one mail account. All other addresses are either aliases of the main address or forwarding addresses of other providers (via Personalities feature of Fastmail). All of these addresses are inserted into the email addresses field of the account settings. Ok, then you should have the correct From address for most replies and new messages (if there are any messages to derive it from). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 10 Jan 2014, at 21:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 10 Jan 2014, at 20:23, Mike Brasch wrote: This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in mailing lists where I had written days ago. I wasn't quite clear. A test version with this variable is not yet released (I added it seconds before sending the reply). After your post I found a new test release (3932) – I thought it was the release you meant. :-) Ok, I'll waiting. -- Gruß Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
Moin! I have, with respect to the mailing lists, also a few wishes. Many years ago (10 years), my favorite mail client on RISC OS (Messenger Pro, mail and usenet client) had speacial features for mailing lists. The feel of mailing lists was exactly the same as that of Usenet-groups (incl. scoring, kill file etc.). If I, for example, created a new thread in a mailing list, MP used automatically the correct from-address. This was done via a manually maintained list of mailing lists with their standard adresses (post, unsubscribe, help etc.). I don't know if it will be difficult du do this automatically. It would be OK for me to do it manually. -- Gruß Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 9 Jan 2014, at 13:21, Mike Brasch wrote: Many years ago (10 years), my favorite mail client on RISC OS (Messenger Pro, mail and usenet client) had speacial features for mailing lists. The feel of mailing lists was exactly the same as that of Usenet-groups (incl. scoring, kill file etc.). If I, for example, created a new thread in a mailing list, MP used automatically the correct from-address. This was done via a manually maintained list of mailing lists with their standard adresses (post, unsubscribe, help etc.). Not exactly a kill file, but it _is_ possible to mute a conversation so you don't see it anymore. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work in the one case I'd like it too--when I mute and then trash a message. It ought to then trash all further messages in that conversation. MailMate does do a nice job with from addresses though. Every time I reply to this list it switches to the address that I previously used for it.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?
On 9 Jan 2014, at 19:51, Kee Hinckley wrote: MailMate does do a nice job with from addresses though. Every time I reply to this list it switches to the address that I previously used for Ah, I forgot: Messenger Pro also automatically filled out the to-field (based on the current selected folder). I think in the case of mailing lists, mailmate should not guess the from-address. The most mailing lists accepting the address used for subscribing. And this is the only address which is eligible. There is IMHO nothing to guess. This is a feature I miss to this day. And, if possible, this should also working with the mailing list smart list (with subfolders), which I'm using most of the time. -- Gruß Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
