Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
We saw this in small part today, starting at 10:45 am (Central), and clearing up by 6:36 pm. Our email server logged this; 399 TCP Read failed (Connection reset by peer after 32 seconds) Across several MXes. Frank From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Tara Natanson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:42 AM To: mailop Subject: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors Hello, For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. Anyone else seeing similar? Tara Natanson ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
Since the issue is intermittent now so we have added the following pattern(for PowerMTA users) to skip mx and get another delivery attempt chance. It works perfectly. ... reply /554 Transaction failed/ skip-mx ... Thanks, Syed On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 5:04 AM, wrote: > Send mailop mailing list submissions to > mailop@mailop.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > mailop-requ...@mailop.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > mailop-ow...@mailop.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of mailop digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Hotmail connection errors (Paul Kincaid-Smith) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 21:04:21 -0600 > From: Paul Kincaid-Smith > To: Al Iverson > Cc: mailop > Subject: Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors > Message-ID: > by3ytsx2qkus2vz6us1...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Confirmed. SendGrid saw these begin today at about 10 am Central time, with > a peak around 5 pm Central. Looks like Microsoft's team resolved the > problem by 7 pm Central. This is one more reason why senders can't classify > all 5xx bounces as permanent. And future delivery to these recipient > addresses should not be suppressed. Messy. > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Al Iverson > wrote: > > > Yep, I'm now also seeing 554 Transaction Failed bounces for valid Hotmail > > recipients. > > > > Cheers, > > Al Iverson > > > > > > -- > > Al Iverson > > www.aliverson.com > > (312)725-0130 > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Sanket Jain > wrote: > > > >> I dont see anything unusual. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Sanket > >> Maropost > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Paul Kincaid-Smith via mailop < > >> mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Tara, > >>> > >>> We don't see anything unusual on our end, either. > >>> > >>> > >>> Paul Kincaid-Smith > >>> VP of Email Delivery > >>> w: +1-303-625-7009 > >>> > >>> SendGrid -- Email Delivery. Simplified. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Matt Vernhout > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Sorry Tara, > >>>> > >>>> Haven't seen anything on our end. > >>>> > >>>> ~ > >>>> Matt > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Tara Natanson > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hello, > >>>>> > >>>>> For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection > errors > >>>>> and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for > a long > >>>>> time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyone else seeing similar? > >>>>> > >>>>> Tara Natanson > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ___ > >>>>> mailop mailing list > >>>>> mailop@mailop.org > >>>>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> mailop mailing list > >>>> mailop@mailop.org > >>>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> mailop mailing list > >>> mailop@mailop.org > >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >>> > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> mailop mailing list > >> mailop@mailop.org > >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > >> > >> > > > > ___ > > mailop mailing list > > mailop@mailop.org > > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/mailop/attachments/20160406/10436f10/attachment.html > > > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: HotmailBounce554TransactionFailed.png > Type: image/png > Size: 13545 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/mailop/attachments/20160406/10436f10/attachment.png > > > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > -- > > End of mailop Digest, Vol 102, Issue 16 > *** > -- Syed Alam Postmastery Amsterdam, NL Skype: alam50 T: +31 20 261 0438 ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
Confirmed. SendGrid saw these begin today at about 10 am Central time, with a peak around 5 pm Central. Looks like Microsoft's team resolved the problem by 7 pm Central. This is one more reason why senders can't classify all 5xx bounces as permanent. And future delivery to these recipient addresses should not be suppressed. Messy. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Al Iverson wrote: > Yep, I'm now also seeing 554 Transaction Failed bounces for valid Hotmail > recipients. > > Cheers, > Al Iverson > > > -- > Al Iverson > www.aliverson.com > (312)725-0130 > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Sanket Jain wrote: > >> I dont see anything unusual. >> >> Thanks >> >> Sanket >> Maropost >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Paul Kincaid-Smith via mailop < >> mailop@mailop.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tara, >>> >>> We don't see anything unusual on our end, either. >>> >>> >>> Paul Kincaid-Smith >>> VP of Email Delivery >>> w: +1-303-625-7009 >>> >>> SendGrid -- Email Delivery. Simplified. >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Matt Vernhout >>> wrote: >>> Sorry Tara, Haven't seen anything on our end. ~ Matt On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Tara Natanson wrote: > Hello, > > For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors > and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long > time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. > > Anyone else seeing similar? > > Tara Natanson > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> ___ >>> mailop mailing list >>> mailop@mailop.org >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
Yep, I'm now also seeing 554 Transaction Failed bounces for valid Hotmail recipients. Cheers, Al Iverson -- Al Iverson www.aliverson.com (312)725-0130 On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Sanket Jain wrote: > I dont see anything unusual. > > Thanks > > Sanket > Maropost > > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Paul Kincaid-Smith via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > >> Hi Tara, >> >> We don't see anything unusual on our end, either. >> >> >> Paul Kincaid-Smith >> VP of Email Delivery >> w: +1-303-625-7009 >> >> SendGrid -- Email Delivery. Simplified. >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Matt Vernhout >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry Tara, >>> >>> Haven't seen anything on our end. >>> >>> ~ >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Tara Natanson >>> wrote: >>> Hello, For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. Anyone else seeing similar? Tara Natanson ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> ___ >>> mailop mailing list >>> mailop@mailop.org >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] dmarc-request
Never mind - I found it: The solution L-Soft has developed for LISTSERV does not require anyone to make compromises or lose any functionality - not even the Yahoo and AOL subscribers. "Once you install the update, everything works just like it did before the DMARC debacle; incoming Yahoo and AOL addresses are automatically rewritten to local addresses that can receive private replies and forward them to the original poster," Thomas said. http://www.lsoft.com/news/2014/listserv160-2014a-us.asp Scott Bonacker CPA - McCullough and Associates LLC - Springfield, MO -Original Message- From: Scott Bonacker [mailto:lis...@bonackers.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 3:32 PM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: dmarc-request Occasionally a message will come through lsoft list management showing that the sender was something like this: "on behalf of 04d5988cbc6e-dmarc-request [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM" List members can receive messages sent back to an addy like that, and when they reply outside of LSOFT things are fine. Did find this in another study group from about a year ago: > Now that my list is upgraded to version 16, and > we've licked the dmarc issue, some of my AOL > subscribers addresses are showing up like this, > and they're none too happy about it. > > <000511c5b3ae-dmarc-request> > >So their identity is pretty much erased unless > they beef up their signature. Can't tell yet if this has anything to do with Yahoo dmarc changes or not - but curious about it. Scott Bonacker CPA - McCullough and Associates LLC - Springfield, MO ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] dmarc-request
Occasionally a message will come through lsoft list management showing that the sender was something like this: "on behalf of 04d5988cbc6e-dmarc-request [at] HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM" List members can receive messages sent back to an addy like that, and when they reply outside of LSOFT things are fine. Did find this in another study group from about a year ago: > Now that my list is upgraded to version 16, and > we've licked the dmarc issue, some of my AOL > subscribers addresses are showing up like this, > and they're none too happy about it. > > <000511c5b3ae-dmarc-request> > >So their identity is pretty much erased unless > they beef up their signature. Can't tell yet if this has anything to do with Yahoo dmarc changes or not - but curious about it. Scott Bonacker CPA - McCullough and Associates LLC - Springfield, MO ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail rate limit
On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:52 PM, G. Miliotis wrote: > On 6/4/2016 20:27, Vick Khera wrote: > >> I use google groups for those things. You can have as many of those as >> you like, and they can be configured as shared mailboxes or even a simple >> ticketing system. >> > Jut noting that I have done this and the spam controls for google groups > are not the best. You may have other problems by going down this route, > such as messages/senders getting blocked and so on. > > Unless of course I'm missing something. Yeah, Group's spam filtering doesn't have nearly the signals that Gmail has, so it's not as good. It also doesn't get quite as much love, though we're working on it. You can turn off spam filtering on your group and let Gmail handle it, especially if you're basically using a group as an alias for a couple accounts. I'm sure there are other caveats with using groups this way. I often think we should have kept the older system of aliases (before there was Groups for dasher). Anyways, the free tier also doesn't have access to the groups interface, which is what's prompted me pinging them to fix that several times in the past year, so hard to move to that. While we're on the subject of workarounds for too many accounts, if you have a premier account, you can also use "default routing" to handle other addresses in your domain and route them, instead of groups: https://support.google.com/a/answer/2368153 For some things, this is better, since it bypasses groups. In a perfect world, there would be an aliases interface as a simpler way to set this up. Using this maintains the sender, doesn't add list-* headers, lets DKIM still pass, etc. Brandon ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
I dont see anything unusual. Thanks Sanket Maropost On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Paul Kincaid-Smith via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Hi Tara, > > We don't see anything unusual on our end, either. > > > Paul Kincaid-Smith > VP of Email Delivery > w: +1-303-625-7009 > > SendGrid -- Email Delivery. Simplified. > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Matt Vernhout > wrote: > >> Sorry Tara, >> >> Haven't seen anything on our end. >> >> ~ >> Matt >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Tara Natanson >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors >>> and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long >>> time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. >>> >>> Anyone else seeing similar? >>> >>> Tara Natanson >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailop mailing list >>> mailop@mailop.org >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail rate limit
On 6/4/2016 20:27, Vick Khera wrote: I use google groups for those things. You can have as many of those as you like, and they can be configured as shared mailboxes or even a simple ticketing system. Jut noting that I have done this and the spam controls for google groups are not the best. You may have other problems by going down this route, such as messages/senders getting blocked and so on. Unless of course I'm missing something. --GM ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
Hi Tara, We don't see anything unusual on our end, either. Paul Kincaid-Smith VP of Email Delivery w: +1-303-625-7009 SendGrid -- Email Delivery. Simplified. On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:25 AM, Matt Vernhout wrote: > Sorry Tara, > > Haven't seen anything on our end. > > ~ > Matt > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Tara Natanson > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors >> and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long >> time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. >> >> Anyone else seeing similar? >> >> Tara Natanson >> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail connection errors
Sorry Tara, Haven't seen anything on our end. ~ Matt On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Tara Natanson wrote: > Hello, > > For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors and > timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long time > and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. > > Anyone else seeing similar? > > Tara Natanson > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail rate limit
On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Dave Warren wrote: > I would, if I could pay for just the actual users. Sadly, I have too many > other things that need mailboxes and/or accounts for other purposes and I > just can't justify paying for each of them. > I use google groups for those things. You can have as many of those as you like, and they can be configured as shared mailboxes or even a simple ticketing system. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] Hotmail connection errors
Hello, For about the last hour we have seen a huge spike in connection errors and timeouts at Hotmail MXs. They are holding connections open for a long time and then simply timing out. Spread across entire netblock. Anyone else seeing similar? Tara Natanson ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
