Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Bill Cole

On 1 Aug 2018, at 10:34 (-0400), Emanuel Gonzalez wrote:


Hello, thanks for the reply. I never had problems until today.


Here the mailchimp header:


[...]

ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net header.s=k1 
header.b=eLWpUpKv;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.mcsv.net header.s=k1 
header.b=Tv6+avr7;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net 
designates 198.2.138.213 as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) 
header.from=gmail.com


That's a DMARC fail because your "From:" is not aligned to any DKIM 
signature.


[...]

Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net header.s=k1 
header.b=eLWpUpKv;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.mcsv.net header.s=k1 
header.b=Tv6+avr7;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net 
designates 198.2.138.213 as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) 
header.from=gmail.com


That's a DMARC fail because your "From:" is not aligned to any DKIM 
signature.


DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k1; 
d=mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net;

[...]
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k1; 
d=gmail.mcsv.net;

[...]

Those signatures (both done by MailChimp) will only align to a From 
header address in one of those 'd=' domains.


[...]

From: Emanuel 


That does not align to any signature, so DMARC fails.


But wait! There's MORE!


Sender: Emanuel 


If that address had been in the From header, the message might have 
passed DMARC, because it aligns with a signature.


If you want DMARC to work for your mail, use a From header for which you 
(or your ESP) can legitimately create a DKIM signature.
If you want undefined and inscrutably random behavior by receivers based 
on your DKIM signatures, make sure they don't align to your From header 
and so cannot pass DMARC.


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Re: [mailop] Return Path FBL not working?

2018-08-01 Thread Sara Roper via mailop
Hey Marc - will reach to you off list to see if I can help or find help for
you.

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 12:38 PM Marc Goldman via mailop 
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> Is anyone else having problems receiving confirmation emails/password
> resets from Return Paths FBL service?
>
> I have requested multiple times from multiple addresses and not received
> anything.
>
>
>
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[mailop] Return Path FBL not working?

2018-08-01 Thread Marc Goldman via mailop
Is anyone else having problems receiving confirmation emails/password resets 
from Return Paths FBL service?

I have requested multiple times from multiple addresses and not received 
anything.



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Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Laura Atkins
I’m not actually seeing a problem here or understanding what your issue is. 

In terms of the forgery message. I expect that Gmail is special casing some 
ESPs (like mailchimp, and I expect there are others). So they’re allowing 
customers of those ESPs to use @gmail.com addresses in the From: line and are 
not treating that as a forgery. It makes sense, as Mailchimp (like other ESPs), 
actually confirms address ownership before allowing it to be used as a From: 
address. Because the ESPs act responsibly, Gmail doesn’t need to warn that the 
mail might be a forgery. It’s not, the ESP has assured that. 

If you’re sending from a different place, one with unknown policies, then Gmail 
doesn’t know anything about that, so it offers the warning. 

All in all, quite a sensible implementation from Gmail.

What’s the problem you’re trying to solve?

laura 


> On Aug 1, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Emanuel Gonzalez  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello, thanks for the help and reply.
> 
> The problem not solved.
> 
> any ideas?
> 
> Regards.
> De: Stefano Bagnara mailto:mai...@bago.org>>
> Enviado: miércoles, 1 de agosto de 2018 12:18:41
> Para: mailop
> Cc: emanuel_gonza...@live.com.ar
> Asunto: Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?
>  
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 15:26, Emanuel Gonzalez
>  wrote:
> > I have a problem with Gmail, i see a change in the dmarc header:
> > [...]
> > the emails sent arrive to the promotions folder but with a forgery alert 
> > (fake identity), when I send mails from mailchimp it does not return any 
> > warning haha because?
> >
> > header from my email marketing provider:
> >
> > Delivered-To: emaw...@gmail.com
> > [...]
> > From: GmailEnviando 
> > Reply-To: GmailEnviando 
> >
> > any ideas?
> 
> That's because sender and recipient are the same address. Try sending
> to another gmail address and let us know if you see the same alert.
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Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Emanuel Gonzalez
Hello, thanks for the help and reply.


The problem not solved.


any ideas?


Regards.


De: Stefano Bagnara 
Enviado: miércoles, 1 de agosto de 2018 12:18:41
Para: mailop
Cc: emanuel_gonza...@live.com.ar
Asunto: Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 at 15:26, Emanuel Gonzalez
 wrote:
> I have a problem with Gmail, i see a change in the dmarc header:
> [...]
> the emails sent arrive to the promotions folder but with a forgery alert 
> (fake identity), when I send mails from mailchimp it does not return any 
> warning haha because?
>
> header from my email marketing provider:
>
> Delivered-To: emaw...@gmail.com
> [...]
> From: GmailEnviando 
> Reply-To: GmailEnviando 
>
> any ideas?

That's because sender and recipient are the same address. Try sending
to another gmail address and let us know if you see the same alert.

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Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Emanuel Gonzalez
Hello, thanks for the reply. I never had problems until today.


Here the mailchimp header:


Delivered-To: emaw...@gmail.com
Received: by 2002:a1c:e046:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id x67-v6csp618596wmg;
Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:43:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: 
AAOMgpd32+ojoMsyr28GQXTFMwZ4mifsPAFm8Xg/YsjNGrS2/nP19iALwijyTQyrkITRMHicrt4a
X-Received: by 2002:a5b:601:: with SMTP id d1-v6mr13207440ybq.295.1533120179983;
Wed, 01 Aug 2018 03:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1533120179; cv=none;
d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
b=aiAloEPH+hFOebvVwO6V8Z8muwF2Tq5mbGAqzZ/EGblphcWyqZ86H20Gdp1ra5g1lI
 y6LW2rGimmmj71lsmH4ZadjCdEDWW62njxdP6Gds/PJeSp1/us35BzNRL2K7T4QmF+7r
 PXOAao242vJviyOZAzw7qSaDxLdS04BG0pbQ1sylBvYrgfjPeEtkXMlIzmW7XUpXCW3+
 VrT6ZLi2zRMdhcv8K1WuYa4V/tZsExJqMx4dCcP0K7uClKLl2WdnkefwadkgE0RM+G4i
 oyguITL772RN/JDwXfgRWCa5WUDZkg0PRpHGX8/WtYR0VoaFMT0XeCTtfceCIWV/7SBT
 p6Yw==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; 
s=arc-20160816;
h=mime-version:sender:list-unsubscribe-post:list-unsubscribe:list-id
 :feedback-id:message-id:date:to:reply-to:from:subject:dkim-signature
 :dkim-signature:arc-authentication-results;
bh=KwIMxi4IzcZU/hly+oTHKG9YjAO5k9RmkhFxzyquH2M=;
b=UL9rXXzcnc0hJWZnZx5VkPCsZym2TUHd9j+TozsXWFR6vkjcMuqXFBzrnTX3dCIPm3
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 Rde/HIszNrYMXZHoC2Jk9RVGDap6pKze8LYd147P1YWZtI23iFH26epJlxVhjUCRxJiA
 YuWg==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net header.s=k1 
header.b=eLWpUpKv;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.mcsv.net header.s=k1 header.b=Tv6+avr7;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net 
designates 198.2.138.213 as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Return-Path: 

Received: from mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net (mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net. 
[198.2.138.213])
by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 
d133-v6si3886653ywb.195.2018.08.01.03.42.59
for 
(version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
Wed, 01 Aug 2018 03:42:59 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 
bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net 
designates 198.2.138.213 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.2.138.213;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net header.s=k1 
header.b=eLWpUpKv;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.mcsv.net header.s=k1 header.b=Tv6+avr7;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net 
designates 198.2.138.213 as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounce-mc.us15_75091638.537013-emawata=gmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k1; 
d=mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net; 
h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Date:Message-ID:List-ID:List-Unsubscribe:Sender: 
Content-Type:MIME-Version; i=emawata=3dgmail@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net; 
bh=KwIMxi4IzcZU/hly+oTHKG9YjAO5k9RmkhFxzyquH2M=; 
b=eLWpUpKvDQYakRVOA/Bpc0lacOQL/Mw7rVniaZx96fK3dsL7aVkq4pikk8gh9kRkT3O6A9D7DeBn
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   rRdZBIelctCK9jdfyKs=
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k1; d=gmail.mcsv.net; 
h=Subject:From:Reply-To:To:Date:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:List-ID: 
List-Unsubscribe:Sender:Content-Type:MIME-Version; 
bh=KwIMxi4IzcZU/hly+oTHKG9YjAO5k9RmkhFxzyquH2M=; 
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   WIidIiRZRUtUowbCVeU=
Received: from (127.0.0.1) by mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net id hc67b62ddl42 for 
; Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:42:56 + (envelope-from 
)
Subject: Probando el filtro
From: Emanuel 
Reply-To: 
To: 
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:42:56 +
Message-ID: 
<40c8ed8b20f446618ea65d6dc.77c14f64f9.20180801104246.8e09cee022.e4b42...@mail213.atl171.mcdlv.net>
X-Mailer: MailChimp Mailer - **CID8e09cee02277c14f64f9**
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Feedback-ID: 75091638:75091638.537013:us15:mc
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Re: [mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Ken O'Driscoll via mailop
On Wed, 2018-08-01 at 13:23 +, Emanuel Gonzalez wrote:
> header.from=gmail.com

DMARC fails in both cases because you are spoofing the From address as
being from gmail.com when it is not.

They haven't changed their DMARC policy (it's still p=none) but that does
not affect the fact that message fails a DMARC test.

As to why one forged message is classified differently to another, that's
likely down to many data points, DMARC just being one of them.

Sending newsletters / bulk emails from a forged gmail.com (or other
freemail address) is going to cause problems in general.

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[mailop] Gmail change DMARC Policy?

2018-08-01 Thread Emanuel Gonzalez
Hello.!!!


I have a problem with Gmail, i see a change in the dmarc header:

ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@94983.senders.tstes.net header.s=esdkim 
header.b=IplGe1Oe;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.tstes.net header.s=dkim header.b=FQWgkG0I;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net designates 200.58.118.64 
as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com

the emails sent arrive to the promotions folder but with a forgery alert (fake 
identity), when I send mails from mailchimp it does not return any warning haha 
because?

header from my email marketing provider:

Delivered-To: emaw...@gmail.com
Received: by 2002:a1c:e046:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id x67-v6csp629260wmg;
Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
X-Google-Smtp-Source: 
AAOMgpfyYYSrzx+kZi+JHyKNMIHdqm4zPxgTli5PCbvj9x9fdvZ0IPrxHrw6eOGmb/KpOyxl2/MO
X-Received: by 2002:a37:69c3:: with SMTP id 
e186-v6mr24336280qkc.396.1533120970612;
Wed, 01 Aug 2018 03:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1533120970; cv=none;
d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
b=xHS7fgzrUf9jtBZJY4Ac5SAgtJCss6O5ZPFPt9Xvu7z8sBojSmt5PpEiFPZ9+8ljhu
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 z26+BtfawxmboqW4vqpKG4hidWV9+o0sm61hXMfLMNsVYmFWTUKTiBOV2paSK6qEYCY/
 mUNQ==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; 
s=arc-20160816;
h=message-id:date:to:mime-version:subject:list-unsubscribe
 :feedback-id:list-id:sender:reply-to:from:precedence:dkim-signature
 :dkim-signature:arc-authentication-results;
bh=WlV74hnf502NFLfJVcfDuTEraxlb+UX5FtcE7aN1Ljk=;
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 Ab5g==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@94983.senders.tstes.net header.s=esdkim 
header.b=IplGe1Oe;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.tstes.net header.s=dkim header.b=FQWgkG0I;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net designates 200.58.118.64 
as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
Return-Path: 
Received: from mta118.64.tstes.net (mta118.64.tstes.net. [200.58.118.64])
by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 
x52-v6si334753qvh.260.2018.08.01.03.56.08
for 
(version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128);
Wed, 01 Aug 2018 03:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 
bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net designates 200.58.118.64 
as permitted sender) client-ip=200.58.118.64;
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
   dkim=pass header.i=@94983.senders.tstes.net header.s=esdkim 
header.b=IplGe1Oe;
   dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.tstes.net header.s=dkim header.b=FQWgkG0I;
   spf=pass (google.com: domain of 
bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net designates 200.58.118.64 
as permitted sender) 
smtp.mailfrom="bounces-emawata=gmail@94983.returnpath.tstes.net";
   dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=esdkim; 
d=94983.senders.tstes.net; 
h=From:Reply-To:Sender:List-ID:List-Unsubscribe:Subject:Content-Type:MIME-Version:To:Date:Message-ID;
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bh=WlV74hnf502NFLfJVcfDuTEraxlb+UX5FtcE7aN1Ljk=; 
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DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=dkim; 
d=gmail.tstes.net; 
h=From:Reply-To:Sender:List-ID:Feedback-ID:List-Unsubscribe:Subject:Content-Type:MIME-Version:To:Date:Message-ID;
 bh=WlV74hnf502NFLfJVcfDuTEraxlb+UX5FtcE7aN1Ljk=; 
b=FQWgkG0IX0gh6SVi+1qBmOZ0gr0UchSmj+pXt4Z5VXLJCZtqEQMcG7jDp+fW5vfwK5VPX9ib6jJy
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   JafGanE/68nqkQYWLqc=
Precedence: bulk
X-DM-SENDER: MAILTX
From: GmailEnviando 
Reply-To: GmailEnviando 
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Re: [mailop] mailop Digest, Vol 130, Issue 1

2018-08-01 Thread Andy Onofrei via mailop
HI, 

An update ..its not a bug or anything , its expected behavior .. after you add 
the feed  then it will disappear for some time and re-appear .
All the newly created feeds are now being displayed correctly.

Regards
Andy

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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 13:57:19 +
From: Andy Onofrei 
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Hi,

I currently have 3 feeds in our SNDS dashboard. I want to add new ones as we 
add new sender domains.

When I add any feeds I receive a success message that the feed was added 
successfully , I can see it in the dashboard , however after some time ( 10-20 
min) that feed is disappearing .
I tried multiple one making sure to add the ips in the correct format , 
everytime it disappears.

Did anyone experienced this kind of behavior ? Or any possible causes for this 
issue?


Regards,
Andrei Onofrei
Dynamics 365 Email Deliverability Engineer 
andrei.onof...@microsoft.com | +420 720 
359 205 BBC Delta Building, Vyskočilova 1561/4a, 140 00 Prague, The Czech 
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