Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Philip Paeps via mailop]

On 2021-09-07 08:54:51 (+0800), Andre van Eyssen via mailop wrote:

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:
Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail sounds exactly like 
what you are looking
for. We have setup wizards for custom domains to guide the user 
through what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is set up correctly, 
and a real-life support team to contact if they need further 
assistance.


Hah! I was just going to reply -- what about Fastmail?
If I was ever going to quit hosting my own mail, I'd be looking at 
Fastmail.


I quit hosting my own mail and moved to Fastmail earlier this year.  
Happy customer.


The only complaint I have is that they don't support IPv6 at all.  I 
understand the argument against running IPv6 on MXes (although I 
disagree with it) but in 2021, IMAP and submission should really be 
available on IPv6.


Philip

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[John Levine via mailop]

It appears that Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop  said:
>All,
>
>I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
>Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they
>are discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring people to paid 
>Office365. It seems that all of the general info
>out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
>there?  Anybody have one they recommend? 
>Bonus if they help with authentication setup because she is ..um...tech 
>challenged.

I agree with the recommendations for Fastmail.

Tucows has a white label mail product which works well but you need to find a
reseller.  I have a few customers that are happy with it but I'm not looking
for more at this point.

R's,
John
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Byron Lunz via mailop]

What about fastmail.com ?


On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:59 PM Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop <
mailop@mailop.org> wrote:

> All,
>
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox
> host.  Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their
> free hosted email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that
> all of the general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely
> there must be others out there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if
> they help with authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Anne
>
> --
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> Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[yuv via mailop]

On Mon, 2021-09-06 at 20:36 -0500, Jarland Donnell via mailop wrote:
> MXroute might be a bit rough around the edges for the average user. 

I was intending to try MXroute out.  Now I registered.  It will take a
little while to look around...


> But an arguably excessive hyper focus on outbound 
> delivery and inbound spam prevention. 

IMHO if internet email is to thrive, it needs more mailops like you and
less, much less of the marketing spammers.


> I love my work, happy to have anyone on board that wants to share it 
> with me :)

Will test with one of my domains dedicated for experimental/fun stuff,
and hopefully migrate my real stuff soon.

Now on to read the docs, searching how to set up relay from my internal
Postfix instance to MXroute as this would be my preferred modus
operandi, at least for now.  I will probably not bother with anything
inbound, so if your servers delete my outbound messages and related
logs after having used them for the sole purposes of spam-prevention
and (duh!) delivery, my most important requirement will be met. 

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Jarland Donnell via mailop]

Thanks friend. Yeah, MXroute might be a bit rough around the edges for 
the average user. But an arguably excessive hyper focus on outbound 
delivery and inbound spam prevention. I love my work, happy to have 
anyone on board that wants to share it with me :)


Jarland

On 2021-09-06 18:21, Faisal Misle via mailop wrote:

Apart from the buck a month web hosts, the only one that comes to mind
is MXRoute (their main guy is often on this list)

I used to recommend Rackspace, but not too sure about the long term
future of their email hosting division. _(Disclaimer: I worked there
for three years)_

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 5:47 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop
 wrote:


All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an
inbox host. Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are
discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring people to paid
Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to
either 365 or Gmail. Surely there must be others out there? Anybody
have one they recommend? Bonus if they help with authentication
setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.

Thanks!

Anne

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Brielle via mailop]

Are they only needing something super simple and like one mailbox?

If they have an iPhone/Mac/iPad and pay for at least the $0.99 iCloud storage 
plan, can now add a custom domain for free to iCloud email at:

https://beta.iCloud.com

IMAP and smtp are fully supported.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 6, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
>  wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
> Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
> email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the 
> general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be 
> others out there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Anne
> 
> --
> Anne P. Mitchell,  Esq.
> Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Mal via mailop]

On 07/09/2021 9:48 am, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:
> Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail
>  sounds exactly like what you are looking for.

Hi Neil

Will we see DNSSEC & DANE support enabled for Fastmail anytime soon ?

Mal
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Andre van Eyssen via mailop]

Hah! I was just going to reply -- what about Fastmail?

If I was ever going to quit hosting my own mail, I'd be looking at 
Fastmail.


On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, Neil Jenkins via mailop wrote:

Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail 
 sounds exactly like what you are looking 
for. We have setup wizards for custom domains to guide the user through 
what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is set up correctly, and a 
real-life support team to contact if they need further assistance.


Neil.


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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Neil Jenkins via mailop]

Obviously I'm biased, but our service Fastmail  
sounds exactly like what you are looking for. We have setup wizards for custom 
domains to guide the user through what they need to do to ensure SPF/DKIM is 
set up correctly, and a real-life support team to contact if they need further 
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[yuv via mailop]

On Mon, 2021-09-06 at 18:22 -0500, Al Iverson AND OTHERS via mailop
recommended: 
> GMAIL or OFFICE365 or
> The only other one I'd add to that list is probably
> https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com

In response to

> September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote:
> someone [...] needs an inbox host [b/c] GoDaddy are discontinuing
their free hosted email

Interesting to say the least.  GoDaddy's decision is possibly motivated
by cost/benefit; by the excessive power of the oligopoly; or most
likely by both.  But what motivates expert mailops to only reccomend
the oligopolists as an inbox host?

Is not outbox, with its deliverability issues, the more complex part of
the service?

I am fine with my crappy old inbox, but I am still looking for an SMTP
service to deal with the deliverability issues, most of them caused by
one of the oligopolists.  Sending customers their way will only make
internet email even less useful?

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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Al Iverson via mailop]

What he said. The only other one I'd add to that list is probably
https://smallbusiness.yahoo.com

Cheers,
Al Iverson

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 6:16 PM Steve Holdoway via mailop
 wrote:
>
> I wouldn't offer anything other than one of those two *especially* as they 
> are tech challenged.
>
> Unless you want a job for life that is...
>
> September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop" 
>  wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox 
> > host. Her registrar/webhost
> > is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted email, and 
> > referring people to paid
> > Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to either 
> > 365 or Gmail. Surely
> > there must be others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if 
> > they help with
> > authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Anne
> >
> > --
> > Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> > Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> > Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> > Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> > Former Counsel: MAPS Anti-Spam Blacklist
> > Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Faisal Misle via mailop]

Apart from the buck a month web hosts, the only one that comes to mind is 
MXRoute (their main guy is often on this list)

I used to recommend Rackspace, but not too sure about the long term future of 
their email hosting division. (Disclaimer: I worked there for three years)

On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 5:47 PM, Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop 
 wrote:

> All,
>
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host. 
> Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
> email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the 
> general info out there points to either 365 or Gmail. Surely there must be 
> others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if they help with 
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Anne
>
> --
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> Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Former Counsel: MAPS Anti-Spam Blacklist
> Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Re: [mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Steve Holdoway via mailop]

I wouldn't offer anything other than one of those two *especially* as they are 
tech challenged.

Unless you want a job for life that is...

September 7, 2021 10:47 AM, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop" 
 wrote:

> All,
> 
> I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host. 
> Her registrar/webhost
> is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted email, and referring 
> people to paid
> Office365. It seems that all of the general info out there points to either 
> 365 or Gmail. Surely
> there must be others out there? Anybody have one they recommend? Bonus if 
> they help with
> authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Anne
> 
> --
> Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> Author: Section 6 of the Federal Email Marketing Law (CAN-SPAM)
> Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
> Chair Emeritus, Asilomar Microcomputer Workshop
> Former Counsel: MAPS Anti-Spam Blacklist
> Location: Boulder, Colorado
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[mailop] Recommendation for inbox provider?

[Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop]

All,

I know someone who is setting up a business domain, and needs an inbox host.  
Her registrar/webhost is GoDaddy and they are discontinuing their free hosted 
email, and referring people to paid Office365. It seems that all of the general 
info out there points to either 365 or Gmail.   Surely there must be others out 
there?  Anybody have one they recommend?  Bonus if they help with 
authentication setup because she is ..um...tech challenged.

Thanks!

Anne

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