Re: [mailop] G-Suite removing LSA functionality
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019, at 08:56, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 1:30 PM Jaroslaw Rafa wrote: >> Dnia 16.12.2019 o godz. 12:42:29 Brandon Long via mailop pisze: >> > Here's the announcement post: >> > >> https://gsuiteupdates.googleblog.com/2019/12/less-secure-apps-oauth-google-username-password-incorrect.html >> > >> > Note this is more than just unencrypted access, this is using password >> > based login at all. Looks like it doesn't apply to SMTP, yet, probably >> > because of the number of printers and other embedded devices that don't >> > support oauth. >> > >> > As for tools, last year I added support for OAUTHBEARER to mutt but by >> > shelling out to >> > https://github.com/google/gmail-oauth2-tools/blob/master/python/oauth2.py >> for >> > generating tokens. The sasl level code to send the tokens is pretty >> > trivial, the annoying part is launching a browser and getting the token >> > back from it. >> >> Do any Windows/Linux/MacOS email clients currently support OAuth "out of the >> box"? >> If not, that's basically cutting nearly everybody using regular IMAP email >> clients off of G Suite... > > The blog post specifically calls out Outlook, Mail.app and Thunderbird as > supporting OAuth, > once you add iOS Mail and various common Android Mail apps, that probably > covers 90+% of > the third party mail clients used to access Gmail. I don't know if all of the > Android Mail apps support > OAuth these days, but there tools built into Google Services on Android to > handle oauth grants very > easily (certainly the easiest of the platforms besides web apps). > > For terminal apps, doing something like I did with Mutt is probably the right > choice and pretty straightforward. > For gui apps, it's obviously more complicated if you need to embed a web > browser, not to mention > the inherent insecurity of logging into Google from an embedded web > browser... but I guess you would have given > that app your password anyways prior to oauth, so whatever. This is one of the cases where JMAP authentication (as seen in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-jmap-core/00/ and removed afterwards due to not wanting to mix the mail protocol with considerations of a new authentication mechanism) would have been quite nice. Basically, you try to log in and get told "please load up this URL in a your normal web browser and do stuff until the web browser tells you that the session is alive, then come back here and all will be good". Or even "you have an authenticated connection now that can't see any accounts, go sign in however many accounts you like over the web with this magic link and they will get added to this connection". I'm quite interested in that actually, because JMAP already supports having multiple accounts inside a single authenticated connection - you could have each session start off "empty" and authenticate accounts into it! Bron. -- Bron Gondwana br...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Gmail marking email from me as spam
On Mon, Oct 14, 2019, at 11:33, Jaroslaw Rafa via mailop wrote: > It is an absurd assumption that I should be punished for misbehaviour of my > neighbours. I'm sure you wouldn't accept such rule in any other area of the > life; why would you accept it when it comes to e-mail? Objection your honour, assumes facts not in evidence. Is it fair? Of course not. Prejudice is inherently unfair. It's also necessary to apply heuristics or you'd never get anywhere in the world. If you live in Broadmeadows, for sure I judge you (substitute suburb with high crime rate and reputation for antisocial behaviour in your own part of the world). When you're doing the internet equivalent of showing up in a singlet with a pack of cigarettes tucked into your shoulder and a couple of gang tattoos, you may get pre-judged. Bron. -- Bron Gondwana br...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 18:47, b...@liddicott.com wrote: > There's RFC 1855 of course: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1855 , a memo > which "does not specify an Internet standard of any kind". > The one mention of bottom-posting is that you should include > "summarize the original at the top of the message" or "include > justenough text of the original to give a context" "at the top of your > message". > > This pretty much summarizes my view: > * http://web.archive.org/web/20070607221125/ > http://alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm[1] > > > Either way, top-posting is now the de-facto standard in the world, > and if you go on about it you will just look like a curmudgeon. > Wikipedia says: Woah, I should have put more smileys on that ;) ;) :) !111!!111:p > > This widespread policy in business communication made bottom > > and inline posting so unknown among most users that some of the > > most popular email programs no longer support the traditional > > posting style > > See also: http://emailclientmarketshare.com/ > > Cheers, Ben > > > *From: *Suresh Ramasubramanian *Sent: *08 September 2015 01:53 > > > > On 08-Sep-2015, at 2:15 am, Bron Gondwana <br...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > > > > How can you be a special snowflake and make your own stamp on the > > world if > > you follow a standard? > > > > Bron ( responding to a top post with a standard form of quoting... ) > > The top posting, bottom posting and interleaved quoting camps > need conversion between each other much like 8 bit to quoted > printable, say. > > Some kind soul might want to come up with an RFC on this. > -- Bron Gondwana br...@fastmail.fm Links: 1. http://web.archive.org/web/20070607221125/http:/alpage.ath.cx/toppost/toppost.htm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] BTInternet delivery problems
We're getting connection dropped after RCPT TO for customers trying to email to BTInternet. (delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk[65.20.0.49] while sending RCPT TO) Does anybody have any contacts at btinternet to figure out if it's a more general problem or if they've just decided to blackhole FastMail silently. Thanks, Bron. -- Bron Gondwana br...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems
Thanks Frank, I'll forward the email that I sent to postmaster@[example.com] to there. (obviously, I sent it from another mail provider. It is somewhat hard to email about SMTP deliverability problems without one of those) Bron. On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 03:53, Frank Bulk wrote: > You could try the generic NOC email address, ipmc24hrsurveillanced...@bt.com > > Frank > > -Original Message- > From: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Bron Gondwana > Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 7:22 AM > To: mailop@mailop.org > Subject: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems > > We're getting connection dropped after RCPT TO for customers trying to email > to BTInternet. > > (delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with > mx.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk[65.20.0.49] while sending RCPT TO) > > Does anybody have any contacts at btinternet to figure out if it's a more > general problem or if they've just decided to blackhole FastMail silently. > > Thanks, > > Bron. > > -- > Bron Gondwana > br...@fastmail.fm > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop -- Bron Gondwana br...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] BTInternet delivery problems
On Tue, Sep 8, 2015, at 04:39, Gary Baribault wrote: > I get the too much traffic part, what's wrong with it being a standard? How can you be a special snowflake and make your own stamp on the world if you follow a standard? Bron ( responding to a top post with a standard form of quoting... ) -- Bron Gondwana br...@fastmail.fm ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop
