[mailop] Shopify Contact
Hello, Anyone from Shopify in here? If yes, please contact me off list. Need to work on some dmarc policy issue. -- Thanks, Mohammed Ahmed MarketHero ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Hotmail SNDS page down?
It is working for me again. Thanks, Micheal and Krishna for resolving this issue so quickly. Mohammed. On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 3:29 AM, Krishna Garewal via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Noted and forwarded, thanks. > > > > *From:* Ewald Kessler | webpower > *Sent:* Thursday, April 26, 2018 12:24 AM > *To:* Benjamin BILLON > *Cc:* mailop ; Michael Wise ; > Krishna Garewal > > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail SNDS page down? > > > > Good to see it's back. Thanks! > > > > One thing though: I notice that the links to SNDS on the Postmaster page > (OLD: https://postmaster.live.com/pm/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpostmaster.live.com%2Fpm%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ckgarewal%40microsoft.com%7C0398bd149337463848f408d5ab46ae4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636603242431531611&sdata=zUV3jkLO9yD7mxK0i35tICHDwkN3ir5KVmP%2FiBenICs%3D&reserved=0> > - NEW: https://sendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com/pm/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com%2Fpm%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ckgarewal%40microsoft.com%7C0398bd149337463848f408d5ab46ae4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636603242431541619&sdata=wvvrKXcPndpyj2K3sddp59WeYvXeMTPr0MUOjtT6w98%3D&reserved=0>) > refer to HTTP://postmaster.live.com/snds > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=HTTP%3A%2F%2Fpostmaster.live.com%2Fsnds&data=02%7C01%7Ckgarewal%40microsoft.com%7C0398bd149337463848f408d5ab46ae4c%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C1%7C636603242431551627&sdata=3kSjgT9exYEGb57Fw5RAgWjGxA%2FeJr914f3%2BxNA8dko%3D&reserved=0> > but without a redirect to the actual correct HTTPS location they time out. > > > -- > > Deliverability & Abuse Management, www.webpower-group.com > > ewald.kess...@webpower.nl > > t: +31 342 423 262 > > > > > > On 26 April 2018 at 06:03, Benjamin BILLON wrote: > > It's back to normal for me, thanks! > > > > -- > > Benjamin > > > > *De :* mailop *De la part de* Krishna Garewal > via mailop > *Envoyé :* jeudi 26 avril 2018 09:36 > *À :* John Stephenson ; Al Iverson < > aiver...@wombatmail.com> > *Cc :* mailop ; John Possidente ; > Michael Wise ; Mohammed Ahmed < > mohamm...@aweber.com> > *Objet :* Re: [mailop] Hotmail SNDS page down? > > > > Thanks, forwarded the issue on. > > > > *From:* John Stephenson > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 6:30 PM > *To:* Al Iverson > *Cc:* Krishna Garewal ; mailop ; > John Possidente ; Michael Wise < > michael.w...@microsoft.com>; Mohammed Ahmed > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail SNDS page down? > > > > I'm seeing the exact same thing on Safari on a Mac and on Chrome on a PC > running Windows 10. I am able to use the same credentials to login to > Hotmail.com, but if I switch to the SNDS page, it keeps doing a number of > redirects, then I get the verbiage Al posted. > > > > Best, > > > > John > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:16 PM, Al Iverson > wrote: > > Hi Krishna, > > > > Still not able to access from here. > > > > Using Safari on Mac (which I have used to access SNDS just fine before > this issue), I now get stuck in loop pinging between URLs and then it spits > out this error: > > Sign in > > Something went wrong and we can't sign you in right now. Please try again > later. > > The Microsoft account login server has detected too many repeated > authentication attempts. Please wait a moment and try again. > > > > Perhaps it's a browser issue but I figured I would pass this along since > it was what was happening to me earlier today as well. > > > > Cheers, > > Al Iverson > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Krishna Garewal via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > > Should all be working again, please let us know if you see any issues. > > > > *From:* mailop *On Behalf Of *Michael Wise > via mailop > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:37 PM > *To:* John Possidente ; Mohammed Ahmed < > mohamm...@aweber.com> > *Cc:* mailop > > > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] Hotmail SNDS page down? > > > > > > People are being poked, the issue is being worked. ☹ > > > > Aloha, > > Michael. > > -- > > *Michael J Wise* > Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis > > "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." > > Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fdownload%2Fd
[mailop] Hotmail SNDS page down?
Hello Michael, Looks like we are getting 503 error when trying to access SNDS data. Just wanted to give you heads up. Thanks, -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Missing datas on Google Postmaster
I talked to Gmail Postmaster and they are already aware of it and working on this issue. There is no ETA on it yet. Thanks, Mohammed. On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:22 AM, Allen Kevorkov via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Indeed... a number of folks have confirmed data is missing for them. Any > insight into this? Many were hoping it would've fixed itself by now :) > > > Thanks! > > ~Allen K > > > On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, 4:14:07 AM EDT, Bressier Simon < > bressie...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Brandon, > > I'm sure you're already over aware that datas are stopped on 11th of April > on G postmaster on FBL, authentication, spam rate. > > Just wanted to check if you already had an ETA of fix, and if it will be > retroactive ? > > Thank you very much in advance. > > Simon > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 *https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations <https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations>* ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] Bigpond Postmaster Contact
I am trying to find some Postmaster from Bigpond.com. ab...@bigpond.com accepting mail but not getting any response. I tried tm-postmas...@online.telstra.com.au but to no avail. Please contact me off-list. Thanks, -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 *https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations <https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations>* ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Issue with Gmail Postmaster
Just keep in mind that dark red status of IPs that didn't belong to your network doesn't affect your reputation (positive or negative). On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Mohammed Ahmed wrote: > If you are seeing dark red on IP reputation page of GPT and the IPs are > not yours then it is time to rotate your DKIM keys. > > On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Mark DiMaio via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > >> Google changed something early yesterday afternoon as this was fine up >> until then. Observing this across the board here as well. >> >> Mark DiMaio - President >> p: 415.935.1051 >> <http://www.emaildeliveryconsulting.com> >> <http://www.emaildeliveryconsulting.com> >> >> On Dec 28, 2017, at 7:28 AM, Chris Nagele wrote: >> >> I can confirm we are seeing the same for most domains. IP reputation >> is showing many new IPs we don't recognize and domain reputation >> retroactively changed from being high to medium and even low. >> >> -- >> Chris Nagele >> CTO, Wildbit >> http://wildbit.com >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > > -- > > Mohammed Ahmed > Director, Deliverability > Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 > > *https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations > <https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations>* > -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 *https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations <https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations>* ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Issue with Gmail Postmaster
If you are seeing dark red on IP reputation page of GPT and the IPs are not yours then it is time to rotate your DKIM keys. On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Mark DiMaio via mailop wrote: > Google changed something early yesterday afternoon as this was fine up > until then. Observing this across the board here as well. > > Mark DiMaio - President > p: 415.935.1051 > <http://www.emaildeliveryconsulting.com> > <http://www.emaildeliveryconsulting.com> > > On Dec 28, 2017, at 7:28 AM, Chris Nagele wrote: > > I can confirm we are seeing the same for most domains. IP reputation > is showing many new IPs we don't recognize and domain reputation > retroactively changed from being high to medium and even low. > > -- > Chris Nagele > CTO, Wildbit > http://wildbit.com > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 *https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations <https://www.aweber.com/email-automation.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsign_automations>* ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] All Yahoo! FBLs stopped
Update: We are seeing Yahoo FBL's coming in from 21.00 hrs est yesterday. On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Nick Schafer wrote: > Can confirm we are seeing the same thing. Thanks for the updates all. > > Nick Schafer > Technical Account Manager, Mailgun <http://www.mailgun.com/> > Add me on LinkedIn > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicholas-schafer-6a0a3753/> > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Mohammed Ahmed > wrote: > >> I got an update from Yahoo that they are aware of this problem and they >> are looking at it. No eta yet. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mohammed. >> >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Al Iverson >> wrote: >> >>> We've gotten a few Y! FBL complaints today, but the volume is much lower >>> than usual. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Al Iverson >>> www.aliverson.com >>> www.spamresource.com >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Luke Martinez via mailop < >>> mailop@mailop.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Yup...Yahoo spam reports stopped last night at a bout 6pm MST for us. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Torsten Reinert via mailop < >>>> mailop@mailop.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> We see all Yahoo! FBL feeds stopped last night starting ~ 12am-1am UTC >>>>> on 8/18. Across all datacenters, IP ranges, domains. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone experience the same? >>>>> >>>>> Torsten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Torsten Reinert* >>>>> >>>>> Global Deliverability Manager >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Email: tors...@groupon.com >>>>> >>>>> Groupon Inc. | www.groupon.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______ >>>>> mailop mailing list >>>>> mailop@mailop.org >>>>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Luke Martinez >>>> Team Lead | Email Delivery >>>> 520.400.5693 <(520)%20400-5693> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> mailop mailing list >>>> mailop@mailop.org >>>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailop mailing list >>> mailop@mailop.org >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mohammed Ahmed >> Director, Deliverability >> Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 >> >> Stuck on What to Write in Emails? Free Course & Content Templates* Here* >> <https://www.aweber.com/whattowrite.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=whattowrite&utm_content=awteamsignWTW> >> *.* >> ...And We're Hiring! >> <https://www.aweber.com/careers.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsigcareers> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 Stuck on What to Write in Emails? Free Course & Content Templates* Here* <https://www.aweber.com/whattowrite.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=whattowrite&utm_content=awteamsignWTW> *.* ...And We're Hiring! <https://www.aweber.com/careers.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsigcareers> ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] All Yahoo! FBLs stopped
I got an update from Yahoo that they are aware of this problem and they are looking at it. No eta yet. Thanks, Mohammed. On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Al Iverson wrote: > We've gotten a few Y! FBL complaints today, but the volume is much lower > than usual. > > > -- > Al Iverson > www.aliverson.com > www.spamresource.com > > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Luke Martinez via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > >> Yup...Yahoo spam reports stopped last night at a bout 6pm MST for us. >> >> On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Torsten Reinert via mailop < >> mailop@mailop.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We see all Yahoo! FBL feeds stopped last night starting ~ 12am-1am UTC >>> on 8/18. Across all datacenters, IP ranges, domains. >>> >>> Does anyone experience the same? >>> >>> Torsten >>> >>> >>> >>> *Torsten Reinert* >>> >>> Global Deliverability Manager >>> >>> >>> Email: tors...@groupon.com >>> >>> Groupon Inc. | www.groupon.com >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> mailop mailing list >>> mailop@mailop.org >>> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Luke Martinez >> Team Lead | Email Delivery >> 520.400.5693 <(520)%20400-5693> >> >> ___ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> >> > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 Stuck on What to Write in Emails? Free Course & Content Templates* Here* <https://www.aweber.com/whattowrite.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=whattowrite&utm_content=awteamsignWTW> *.* ...And We're Hiring! <https://www.aweber.com/careers.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsigcareers> ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Google Postmaster Tools
I got an update that Gmail is looking into this issue and will get an update once it will get resolved. On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Michael Rathbun wrote: > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:27:48 -0500, Nick Schafer wrote: > > >Anyone else not getting recent data back from Google Postmaster Tools? I > >know there is the usual lag of a day or two but I'm not seeing anything > >since the 2nd. > > Widely reported. Same here. > > mdr > -- > "There are no laws here, only agreements." > -- Masahiko > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- Mohammed Ahmed Director, Deliverability Phone # 1-877-AWeber-1 ext 813 Stuck on What to Write in Emails? Free Course & Content Templates* Here* <https://www.aweber.com/whattowrite.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=whattowrite&utm_content=awteamsignWTW> *.* ...And We're Hiring! <https://www.aweber.com/careers.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awteam&utm_content=awteamsigcareers> ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] QQ form submission question
Josh, I tried before and getting this pop up below after that captcha. No luck here either :-( [image: Inline image 1] On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Josh Nason wrote: > Has anyone had any success submitting an inquiry at the following site for > QQ postmaster inquiries? The captcha keeps failing, so I'm assuming it may > simply not work anymore. > > http://mail.qq.com/feedback_enterprise.html > > Thanks. > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > -- Thanks, AWeber - Mohammed Ahmed mohamm...@aweber.com Voted #1 among 25 Leading Email Service Providers 2016 - PC Magazine <https://blog.aweber.com/culture/to-our-awesome-customers-thank-you.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awards&utm_content=awteamsigmteam> …And We're Hiring! <http://www.aweber.jobs/?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awards&utm_content=awteamsigjobsteam> ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] AWeber DKIM
Getting in touch with Dave off the list. On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Dave Warren wrote: > Howdy! We push a DMARC reject policy for our clients unless they have a > need to do otherwise, especially for new projects/domains, so that we > can proactively help clients move toward authenticating all mail as they > add external services rather than building an ongoing technical debt of > unknown senders. > > One of my customers has signed up with AWeber, but AWeber won't let her > use an address at her domain citing the DMARC reject policy. This seemed > like a good thing initially as it means they're at least aware of DMARC, > but she wasn't able to find anything about DKIM in her control panel and > when she opened a ticket asking how to set up DKIM she got back is "We > do not provide a DKIM record for you, as all mail is sent from our > servers. Any emails sent from your AWeber account are not sent from > your servers directly." > > I'm feeling like the rep has absolutely no idea what DKIM is or how it > works. As I don't have access to an AWeber account, can anyone tell me > what (if any) support they have for SPF or DKIM signing? > > It's a small enough client that it should be relatively harmless to > relax their DMARC policy, but I feel like this just kicks the proverbial > can down the road a bit. > > Feel free to respond on- or off-list as appropriate if you can point me > in the right direction here. > > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- Thanks, AWeber - Mohammed Ahmed mohamm...@aweber.com Voted #1 among 25 Leading Email Service Providers 2016 - PC Magazine <https://blog.aweber.com/culture/to-our-awesome-customers-thank-you.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awards&utm_content=awteamsigmteam> …And We're Hiring! <http://www.aweber.jobs/?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awards&utm_content=awteamsigjobsteam> ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] Are there any TimeWarner (rr.com) people on list?
Not sure you checked your IP's reputation here http://postmaster.rr.com/amIBlockedByRR http://postmaster.rr.com/rate_limits They also offer white list but that is under RP certification... https://returnpath.com/downloads/fact-sheet-certification/ Hope this helps. On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Vick Khera wrote: > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Mark Dale wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We're suddenly seeing a ton of NDRs for "Too many concurrent >> connections" when discussion-lists try to send email to "rr.com" >> addresses. Our MTA limit is for 2 concurrent connections. >> >> > I sat on a panel discussion a few M3AAWG meetings ago, and their > representative said that's how they tell you to adjust your limits. This is > the feedback they want to give you. They were not explicit on what their > general limits are or how they decide to adjust them per sender, obviously. > > ___ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > -- Thanks, AWeber - Mohammed Ahmed mohamm...@aweber.com Voted #1 among 25 Leading Email Service Providers 2016 - PC Magazine <https://blog.aweber.com/culture/to-our-awesome-customers-thank-you.htm?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awards&utm_content=awteamsigmteam> …And We're Hiring! <http://www.aweber.jobs/?utm_source=awemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=awards&utm_content=awteamsigjobsteam> ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
