What about the idea on implementing subscription confirmation header in the confirmation messages? https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-levine-mailbomb-header-00.html
Has anyone heard about what is happening with that idea? I remember that at M3AAWG in Lisbon (June 2017) the idea was well accepted by senders and mailbox providers as well. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 12:41 PM Dario Tavares Antunes via mailop < mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > I was just drafting an email to a similar effect of Laura's last > paragraph. See also the apocryphal story of googlebot deleting entire sites > https://thedailywtf.com/articles/The_Spider_of_Doom > > I'd hope even the most rudimental crawler would know not to perform POST > actions, and I'd hope everyone else knows enough not to produce > side-effecting GET APIs (I know I've been guilty of the same, and > fortunately the smart crawlers will usually strip or mangle querystrings > before following links). > > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:36 AM Laura Atkins <la...@wordtothewise.com> > wrote: > >> >> On 16 Oct 2018, at 23:06, Luis E. Muñoz via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 16 Oct 2018, at 12:42, Brandon Long wrote: >> >> It is pretty common these days for spam systems to sometimes visit links >> in >> the email message to help determine the spamminess or phishiness or just >> plain badness of messages. >> >> >> I can see the value of the datapoint. That said, if the automated filter >> visits a confirmation link then it would be breaking COI. How are ESPs >> discerning between those visits and the ones originated by the recipient >> actually clicking on the confirmation link? >> >> >> Lots of different ways. Proximity to delivery, user agent, IP address are >> all things successfully used to distinguish automated from non-automated >> clicks. >> >> It's one of the reasons for the newer >> list-unsubscribe-post header in rfc 8058 (as mentioned in the abstract). >> >> >> Yes, I'm aware. However, the context of the conversations on this topic >> that I remember were centered around making the link "machine actionable", >> in the sense that automatic unsubscribe would not need to jump through >> hoops but rather, straight unsubscribe. This could keep the traditional >> unsubscribe behavior of presenting a form to collect feedback on the >> unsubscribe reason. >> >> >> That wasn’t the whole issue, as I remember the discussions. >> >> To me this is very different from plainly GETting a link in an email. >> >> Hopefully this behavior is restricted to images and collateral, not >> actual links... but once the line is broken, it's only a matter of time I >> guess. >> >> >> It hasn’t been for a very long time. This is not new behavior at all. >> https://wordtothewise.com/2013/07/barracuda-filters-clicking-all-links/ was >> not the first time the behavior was seen, just the first time I publicly >> documented it. (Note: others may have documented it before me, but that >> link was easy for me to find) >> >> laura >> >> -- >> Having an Email Crisis? We can help! 800 823-9674 >> >> Laura Atkins >> Word to the Wise >> la...@wordtothewise.com >> (650) 437-0741 >> >> Email Delivery Blog: https://wordtothewise.com/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mailop mailing list >> mailop@mailop.org >> https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop >> > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- Best regards, Vytis Marčiulionis Email Deliverability Manager Mailerlite.com +37064734475 vy...@mailerlite.com
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