Re: [mailop] Attempting to resolve a mailing list deliverability issue (Windstream / Spectrum / Juno / Yahoo)

2021-12-14 Thread James Hoddinott via mailop
If you can provide me details of the sending IP(s) I can take a look at
what might be causing some of the issues for some of the networks
(Spectrum) you're trying to reach.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 19:22, Chad Dailey via mailop 
wrote:

> Hello--
>
> In the past month or so, a decade-old mailing list that I administer has
> been running into deliverability issues.  I'm reaching out to mailop
> because I'm at wits' end for figuring this out.  I'll outline what I
> believe to be useful background information below.  Hopefully someone can
> offer suggestions for next steps, even better would be contact from admin
> peeps of the networks that are rejecting list messages, but I'll take what
> I can get.  Please feel free to reach out on the list or PM me if you need
> additional information.
>
> Some details about the list:  MPA is the name of the list, hosted at
> accelix.net, our longtime listserv provider.  We're pretty low traffic, a
> few to dozens of messages a month, with 73 unique email addresses signed up
> to receive traffic.  Membership has very low churn, most are very long term
> subscribers.  The oldest subscriptions were added manually, but we've since
> moved to invite / COI for all new subscribers as of a few years ago.  We
> perform an annual cull of recipient addresses that no longer wish to retain
> list membership, no response to the out of band message earns a drop from
> the list.  In addition, the listserv will also disable subscriptions that
> encounter repeated bounces.  Admittedly, bounce settings are pretty
> generous, but are configured that way due to subscriber ISP / mail
> providers that are less than reliable (welcome to the middle of nowhere).
> I've checked Spamhaus and a couple other public RBLs, and didn't find any
> negative reputation hits for the server.  List info can be found here:
> http://mm.accelix.net/mailman/listinfo/mpa
>
> I thought maybe our website domain name change (it's in the message
> footer) was a factor, perhaps triggering a keyword string hit, but that
> four letter string was in the old domain name too.  I hesitate to mention
> the string here for fear of getting snagged again and preventing this
> message from reaching the admins that I really need to see it.  Hint:  it's
> shorthand for the folks that engineer noisy, colorful aerial displays on
> holidays, especially on Independence Day here in the 'states.
>
> According to the bounce messages, Spectrum (subscriber emails on Charter
> and RoadRunner domains) says we've got an AUP violation (AUP#In-1190), but
> I can't find anything in their ToS / AUP that would get us booted,
> Windstream says we're spamming.  Juno and Yahoo are apparently dropping
> messages silently, or their feedback isn't making it into bounce
> processing.  Of course, none of them will talk to me because I'm not their
> actual customer, and 'Shave and a haircut' doesn't open any doors.
>
> I have encouraged our users to reach out to their providers, and write
> mail filters for the listserv if they are able, but I have low confidence
> in those functions.  I'd rather fix the root of the problem instead.
>
> __
>
> Windstream reject messages:
>
>- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
> 
> (reason: 554 5.7.1 [VI-1] Message blocked due to spam content in the
> message.)
>
>- Transcript of session follows -
> ... while talking to mx01.windstream.net.:
> >>> DATA
> <<< 554 5.7.1 [VI-1] Message blocked due to spam content in the message.
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>
> __
>
> Spectrum reject messages:
>
>- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
> 
> (reason: 552 5.2.0  sender rejected. Please
> see https://www.spectrum
> .net/support/internet/understanding-email-error-codes for more
> information. AUP#In-1190)
>
>- Transcript of session follows -
> ... while talking to mx0.charter.net.:
> >>> DATA
> <<< 552 5.2.0  sender rejected. Please see
> https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/understanding-email-error-codes
> for more information. AUP#In-1190
> 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable
>
> __
>
> Thank you for your attention,
> Chad Dailey
>
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[mailop] Attempting to resolve a mailing list deliverability issue (Windstream / Spectrum / Juno / Yahoo)

2021-12-13 Thread Chad Dailey via mailop
Hello--

In the past month or so, a decade-old mailing list that I administer has
been running into deliverability issues.  I'm reaching out to mailop
because I'm at wits' end for figuring this out.  I'll outline what I
believe to be useful background information below.  Hopefully someone can
offer suggestions for next steps, even better would be contact from admin
peeps of the networks that are rejecting list messages, but I'll take what
I can get.  Please feel free to reach out on the list or PM me if you need
additional information.

Some details about the list:  MPA is the name of the list, hosted at
accelix.net, our longtime listserv provider.  We're pretty low traffic, a
few to dozens of messages a month, with 73 unique email addresses signed up
to receive traffic.  Membership has very low churn, most are very long term
subscribers.  The oldest subscriptions were added manually, but we've since
moved to invite / COI for all new subscribers as of a few years ago.  We
perform an annual cull of recipient addresses that no longer wish to retain
list membership, no response to the out of band message earns a drop from
the list.  In addition, the listserv will also disable subscriptions that
encounter repeated bounces.  Admittedly, bounce settings are pretty
generous, but are configured that way due to subscriber ISP / mail
providers that are less than reliable (welcome to the middle of nowhere).
I've checked Spamhaus and a couple other public RBLs, and didn't find any
negative reputation hits for the server.  List info can be found here:
http://mm.accelix.net/mailman/listinfo/mpa

I thought maybe our website domain name change (it's in the message footer)
was a factor, perhaps triggering a keyword string hit, but that four letter
string was in the old domain name too.  I hesitate to mention the string
here for fear of getting snagged again and preventing this message from
reaching the admins that I really need to see it.  Hint:  it's shorthand
for the folks that engineer noisy, colorful aerial displays on holidays,
especially on Independence Day here in the 'states.

According to the bounce messages, Spectrum (subscriber emails on Charter
and RoadRunner domains) says we've got an AUP violation (AUP#In-1190), but
I can't find anything in their ToS / AUP that would get us booted,
Windstream says we're spamming.  Juno and Yahoo are apparently dropping
messages silently, or their feedback isn't making it into bounce
processing.  Of course, none of them will talk to me because I'm not their
actual customer, and 'Shave and a haircut' doesn't open any doors.

I have encouraged our users to reach out to their providers, and write mail
filters for the listserv if they are able, but I have low confidence in
those functions.  I'd rather fix the root of the problem instead.

__

Windstream reject messages:

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -

(reason: 554 5.7.1 [VI-1] Message blocked due to spam content in the
message.)

   - Transcript of session follows -
... while talking to mx01.windstream.net.:
>>> DATA
<<< 554 5.7.1 [VI-1] Message blocked due to spam content in the message.
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

__

Spectrum reject messages:

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -

(reason: 552 5.2.0  sender rejected. Please
see https://www.spectrum
.net/support/internet/understanding-email-error-codes for more information.
AUP#In-1190)

   - Transcript of session follows -
... while talking to mx0.charter.net.:
>>> DATA
<<< 552 5.2.0  sender rejected. Please see
https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/understanding-email-error-codes
for more information. AUP#In-1190
554 5.0.0 Service unavailable

__

Thank you for your attention,
Chad Dailey
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