Re: [mailop] COI and recipient's MTA
On Tue 15/Oct/2019 06:42:30 +0200 Bill Cole via mailop wrote: > On 14 Oct 2019, at 18:59, Hal Murray via mailop wrote: > >>> What one recipient sees as spam another recipient not only wants, they’ve >>> actually gone through a COI process to confirm they want it. >> >> Has anybody investigated getting the recipient's MTA involved in the COI and >> unsubscribe dance? > > Yes. Me too. Some rough thoughts on triple opt-in are cobbled together at http://fixforwarding.org/ >> The idea is that if the recipient's MTA knew that the user was or wasn't >> signed up for a list it could do a better job of spam filtering. > > It could only be workable for circumstances where users have no expectation of > privacy from mailbox providers and domains are permanently bound to mailbox > providers. There is a number of aspects that require a trusted mailbox provider. For example, password recovery procedures. Trusted mailbox provider include organizational and personal MTAs. > That's not 100% fatal. It does restrict the applicability of such tactics > significantly. Maybe even jane.aver...@gmail.com could trust Google to keep a list of her subscriptions, if she trust them for everything else. Best Ale -- ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
Re: [mailop] COI and recipient's MTA
On 14 Oct 2019, at 18:59, Hal Murray via mailop wrote: What one recipient sees as spam another recipient not only wants, they’ve actually gone through a COI process to confirm they want it. Has anybody investigated getting the recipient's MTA involved in the COI and unsubscribe dance? Yes. The idea is that if the recipient's MTA knew that the user was or wasn't signed up for a list it could do a better job of spam filtering. It could only be workable for circumstances where users have no expectation of privacy from mailbox providers and domains are permanently bound to mailbox providers. That's not 100% fatal. It does restrict the applicability of such tactics significantly. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
[mailop] COI and recipient's MTA
> What one recipient sees as spam another recipient not only wants, theyâve > actually gone through a COI process to confirm they want it. Has anybody investigated getting the recipient's MTA involved in the COI and unsubscribe dance? The idea is that if the recipient's MTA knew that the user was or wasn't signed up for a list it could do a better job of spam filtering. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
