Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[Benjamin BILLON via mailop]

SFR, too


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2017-10-05 11:42 GMT-04:00 ewald kessler | webpower <
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> Laposte.net and Mail.ru support it too.
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> On 3 October 2017 at 14:21, David Hofstee 
> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have a list of the web/mail client support of the
>> List-Unsubscribe header? The list-unsubscribe.com site does not seem to
>> have it.
>>
>> *Free mail addresses & web interface:*
>> Live.com/Office365 -- only support the mailto
>> Gmail  -- supports the first listed method
>> Yahoo -- does not support it (? did not seem to work with mail that had
>> header)
>> Fastmail
>> GMX
>> AOL
>> Proton
>> Zoho
>> Yandex
>> ICloud
>>
>> *OSS/Free web interfaces *
>> Dovecot
>> ...
>>
>> *Mail clients*
>> Outlook
>> Thunderbird  -- requires plugin to support it
>> Apple iOS -- supports it
>> ...
>>
>> Any remarks on this are appreciated. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> David
>>
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Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[ewald kessler | webpower]

Laposte.net and Mail.ru support it too.

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On 3 October 2017 at 14:21, David Hofstee 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a list of the web/mail client support of the
> List-Unsubscribe header? The list-unsubscribe.com site does not seem to
> have it.
>
> *Free mail addresses & web interface:*
> Live.com/Office365 -- only support the mailto
> Gmail  -- supports the first listed method
> Yahoo -- does not support it (? did not seem to work with mail that had
> header)
> Fastmail
> GMX
> AOL
> Proton
> Zoho
> Yandex
> ICloud
>
> *OSS/Free web interfaces *
> Dovecot
> ...
>
> *Mail clients*
> Outlook
> Thunderbird  -- requires plugin to support it
> Apple iOS -- supports it
> ...
>
> Any remarks on this are appreciated. Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
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Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[Brandon Long via mailop]

Pretty sure regular mailto links populate a compose dialog, so the user can
see what/where they are sending, it's just the auto-unsub links which have
the restriction... but no guarantees, I haven't audited all the code.

Brandon

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Philip Paeps  wrote:

> On 2017-10-04 09:51:00 (-0700), Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
>
>> Also, if you set the subject/body in the mailto, they must be set to just
>> "unsubscribe" (because everything is terrible, and no tricking users into
>> sending random messages to random addresses).
>>
>
> Is this just the mailto: of a list-unscubscribe: header or does the same
> magic apply to mailto: URIs in the body (parts)?
>
> I've seen list-unsubscribe: headers being used for 'unsubscribe from
> everything and never talk to me again' but more specific mailto: links in
> the body of messages ("don't spam me about this, but tell me if my account
> has been compromised" e.g.).
>
> And yes, we can sometimes extract an unsub link from the contents of the
>> message and use that even if there isn't a list-unsub header.
>>
>
> This sounds like the same magic is being used for both purposes.
>
> Aside... :)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Philip
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Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[Philip Paeps]

On 2017-10-04 09:51:00 (-0700), Brandon Long via mailop wrote:
Also, if you set the subject/body in the mailto, they must be set to 
just "unsubscribe" (because everything is terrible, and no tricking 
users into sending random messages to random addresses).


Is this just the mailto: of a list-unscubscribe: header or does the same 
magic apply to mailto: URIs in the body (parts)?


I've seen list-unsubscribe: headers being used for 'unsubscribe from 
everything and never talk to me again' but more specific mailto: links 
in the body of messages ("don't spam me about this, but tell me if my 
account has been compromised" e.g.).


And yes, we can sometimes extract an unsub link from the contents of 
the message and use that even if there isn't a list-unsub header.


This sounds like the same magic is being used for both purposes.

Aside... :)

Thanks.

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Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[Brandon Long via mailop]

There are differences between whether we show an unsub link or whether we
just offer when you report as spam.  Some of whether or not we display the
link is based on the interface and room, and the category of the message,
and whether it'll be obvious to the user what they are unsubscribing from.

So, yes, requires a good reputation and minimum volume over days.  In some
cases, requires the from address to be authenticated.

Also, if you set the subject/body in the mailto, they must be set to just
"unsubscribe" (because everything is terrible, and no tricking users into
sending random messages to random addresses).

And yes, we can sometimes extract an unsub link from the contents of the
message and use that even if there isn't a list-unsub header.

Brandon

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:30 AM, David Hofstee 
wrote:

> And I found out that Yandex, ICloud web interface and Protonmail support
> it.
>
> Does anyone know what the requirements for Google or Live.com are to show
> the unsubscribe link (anything more specific than "reputation")? Is volume
> from that specific sender required? Aligned SPF/DKIM authentication?
> Because getting to see the button is inconsistent for IP addresses with
> good reputation (one newsletter showed it, another from my personal domain
> did not, same IP pool, both cases had aligned SPF/DKIM authentication).
>
> I also found that Google has the unsubscribe button, sometimes, for emals
> without the List-Unsubscribe header. Not sure what will happen then.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
> On 3 October 2017 at 14:21, David Hofstee 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have a list of the web/mail client support of the
>> List-Unsubscribe header? The list-unsubscribe.com site does not seem to
>> have it.
>>
>> *Free mail addresses & web interface:*
>> Live.com/Office365 -- only support the mailto
>> Gmail  -- supports the first listed method
>> Yahoo -- does not support it (? did not seem to work with mail that had
>> header)
>> Fastmail
>> GMX
>> AOL
>> Proton
>> Zoho
>> Yandex
>> ICloud
>>
>> *OSS/Free web interfaces *
>> Dovecot
>> ...
>>
>> *Mail clients*
>> Outlook
>> Thunderbird  -- requires plugin to support it
>> Apple iOS -- supports it
>> ...
>>
>> Any remarks on this are appreciated. Thanks,
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[David Hofstee]

And I found out that Yandex, ICloud web interface and Protonmail support it.

Does anyone know what the requirements for Google or Live.com are to show
the unsubscribe link (anything more specific than "reputation")? Is volume
from that specific sender required? Aligned SPF/DKIM authentication?
Because getting to see the button is inconsistent for IP addresses with
good reputation (one newsletter showed it, another from my personal domain
did not, same IP pool, both cases had aligned SPF/DKIM authentication).

I also found that Google has the unsubscribe button, sometimes, for emals
without the List-Unsubscribe header. Not sure what will happen then.

Thanks,


David

On 3 October 2017 at 14:21, David Hofstee 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have a list of the web/mail client support of the
> List-Unsubscribe header? The list-unsubscribe.com site does not seem to
> have it.
>
> *Free mail addresses & web interface:*
> Live.com/Office365 -- only support the mailto
> Gmail  -- supports the first listed method
> Yahoo -- does not support it (? did not seem to work with mail that had
> header)
> Fastmail
> GMX
> AOL
> Proton
> Zoho
> Yandex
> ICloud
>
> *OSS/Free web interfaces *
> Dovecot
> ...
>
> *Mail clients*
> Outlook
> Thunderbird  -- requires plugin to support it
> Apple iOS -- supports it
> ...
>
> Any remarks on this are appreciated. Thanks,
>
>
> David
>
>


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Re: [mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[Noel Butler]

On 03/10/2017 22:21, David Hofstee wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> Does anyone have a list of the web/mail client support of the 
> List-Unsubscribe header? The list-unsubscribe.com [1] site does not seem to 
> have it. 
> 
> FREE MAIL ADDRESSES & WEB INTERFACE: 
> 
> Live.com/Office365 -- only support the mailto 
> Gmail  -- supports the first listed method 
> Yahoo -- does not support it (? did not seem to work with mail that had 
> header) Fastmail 
> GMX 
> AOL 
> Proton 
> Zoho 
> Yandex 
> ICloud 
> 
> OSS/FREE WEB INTERFACES 
> Dovecot 
> ... 
> 
> MAIL CLIENTS 
> Outlook 
> Thunderbird  -- requires plugin to support it 
> Apple iOS -- supports it 
> ... 
> 
> Any remarks on this are appreciated. Thanks, 
> 
> David

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[mailop] List-Unsubscribe support

[David Hofstee]

Hi,

Does anyone have a list of the web/mail client support of the
List-Unsubscribe header? The list-unsubscribe.com site does not seem to
have it.

*Free mail addresses & web interface:*
Live.com/Office365 -- only support the mailto
Gmail  -- supports the first listed method
Yahoo -- does not support it (? did not seem to work with mail that had
header)
Fastmail
GMX
AOL
Proton
Zoho
Yandex
ICloud

*OSS/Free web interfaces *
Dovecot
...

*Mail clients*
Outlook
Thunderbird  -- requires plugin to support it
Apple iOS -- supports it
...

Any remarks on this are appreciated. Thanks,


David
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