Re: [mailop] Paging Rob - Invalument FP

2019-01-23 Thread Rob McEwen

On 1/23/2019 4:44 PM, Chris Boyd wrote:

Apologies, Rob.  I jumped the gun on the mailop thing.

I had hit send before digging into the delist process.

Thanks for the info.  I’ll figure out how that got relayed and fix it ASAP


no worries.

btw - My initial reply back to you and mailop got blocked by mailop 
because the image was too large. So I compressed the image and resent 
that message (before seeing your message above). so the messages are now 
out of order and probably not in the same thread now. I'll be more 
careful about that the next time.


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Rob McEwen
https://www.invaluement.com



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Re: [mailop] Paging Rob - Invalument FP

2019-01-23 Thread Rob McEwen

On 1/23/2019 4:10 PM, Chris Boyd wrote:

Can you tell me why 208.81.240.138 is blocked? Only three people use that 
server and I’ve looked over the logs and nothing sticks out.



Chris

It is a little strange and definitely inappropriate that you've emailed 
this to the mailop mailing list. Doing so gives the FALSE impression 
that the invaluement delist process is utterly broken or we're not 
running invaluement professionally (not that we couldn't ever use 
improvement).


So here are some facts that you've now forced me to share:

(1) your FIRST delist request to invaluement - came IN THE SAME EXACT 
MINUTE - that you sent this email to MailOp. That is a MASSIVELY FAST... 
AND... MASSIVELY IMPATIENT escalation. (especially since...)


(2) I saw your message with 4 minutes of you sending it (and within 4 
minutes of you doing your FIRST delist request). I went to check on the 
status of your delist request - and *our automated system had ALREADY 
delisted your IP... before I could even get to it... it had delisted 
sometime within 4 minutes of your FIRST delist request! *It was delisted 
before anyone on mailop (or myself) even read *ANY* of your messages 
about this.*

*

(3) *the listing was due to recent egregious phishing spam sent from 
your IP to spamtrap addresses*. See attached screenshot of one of the 
phishing spams sent recently from this IP. I blurred the FROM address 
because I think that is an innocent bystander's address forged in that 
spot. The "reply to" address is the criminal's address. This shows the 
top of the spam, before scrolling - but it shows PLENTY. This particular 
spam was sent to a spamtrap address. While the spam's header date is 
from 2 days ago, it was actually sent yesterday. And it definitely came 
from 208.81.240.138


So the listing was "for cause" - but our system was still willing to 
delist IMMEDIATELY upon your FIRST delist request, and did so within a 
few minutes of your request. It did so because your IP rated good enough 
in our system to delist it after a delist request (without involving any 
of our humans yet). More egregious spammers (such as those sending spam 
on purpose - and where little or no legit email comes from that IP) 
typically don't get that benefit.


If you want to know more about the spam, such as getting copy of the 
headers, to help you track this problem down, then reply back off-list 
and we can continue this discussion off-list.


ALSO - while I think your escalation in this case was in appropriate - 
in the future, if something like this happens again - and you don't get 
results after an hour or two (NOT like this situation - where we had 
/*already */and /*immediately */delisted your IP!) - then please just 
email me directly before posting this to a discussion list. I think 
MailOp would appreciate that.


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Rob McEwen
https://www.invaluement.com

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Re: [mailop] Paging Rob - Invalument FP

2019-01-23 Thread Chris Boyd

> On Jan 23, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Rob McEwen  wrote:
> 
> On 1/23/2019 4:10 PM, Chris Boyd wrote:
>> Can you tell me why 208.81.240.138 is blocked? Only three people use that 
>> server and I’ve looked over the logs and nothing sticks out.
> 
> Chris
> 
> Iit is a little strange and definately inappropriate that you've emailed this 
> to the mailop mailing list. Doing so gives the FALSE impression that the 
> invaluement delist process is utterly broken (not that it couldn't ever use 
> improvement).

Apologies, Rob.  I jumped the gun on the mailop thing.

I had hit send before digging into the delist process.

Thanks for the info.  I’ll figure out how that got relayed and fix it ASAP.

—Chris
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[mailop] Paging Rob - Invalument FP

2019-01-23 Thread Chris Boyd
Rob,

Can you tell me why 208.81.240.138 is blocked? Only three people use that 
server and I’ve looked over the logs and nothing sticks out.

Thanks!

—Chris
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